Well, I guess time will tell when we see what pick WSH ends up taking compliments of another abject season from the Avs.
Varly has to seriously step forward and justify that price tag soon!
I agree the potential for this team to make the playoffs is there, but potentials, and maybes, and could bes are just getting really old. This team is on like the longest slowest re-build in history, and at what point does it stop being a re-build and just become the norm to suck?
Sacco should definitely go because let's face it, it can't get much worse can it?! And if they keep him in charge until the end of the season, then WSH picks top 5 in the draft because they got rid of a player they weren't even really interested in holding on to!!
The WSH board all last season had Varly down as the odd man out for them with Neuvirth & Holtby's emergence....Then they go and get a damned 1st from us for him?!
To think that WSH got
Vokoun, 1st + 2nd
for
Varlamov
is downright disgusting. I know the Vokoun thing is completely unrelated to the Avs transaction, but still.....
Vokoun doesn't enter into it. He is an aging goaltender, and not a long term solution. That's a good thing for Washington, because they were cup contenders before picking up Vokoun. The Avs were not, and picking up a Vokoun would not make them cup contenders. By the time we're done rebuilding, Vokoun would be 37 or 38, on the decline, if not retired, and we'd be in the exact same position we were in before... in need of a goaltender.
Avs have taken a chance by picking up a young goaltender with a very high potential that could be the guy that minds our net for the next decade or more. I love that that's what they chose to do rather than go for a temporary solution that'll only last a couple years.
What about Varlamov? I can't blame/praise Sacco for how Varlamov plays, Sherman is at fault there for not getting a legitimate goalie coach for him. When you invest so much in a certain goalie your priority should be giving him every chance to reach his potential.
So the amount of games he plays has nothing to do with his level?
Vokoun doesn't enter into it. He is an aging goaltender, and not a long term solution. That's a good thing for Washington, because they were cup contenders before picking up Vokoun. The Avs were not, and picking up a Vokoun would not make them cup contenders. By the time we're done rebuilding, Vokoun would be 37 or 38, on the decline, if not retired, and we'd be in the exact same position we were in before... in need of a goaltender.
Avs have taken a chance by picking up a young goaltender with a very high potential that could be the guy that minds our net for the next decade or more. I love that that's what they chose to do rather than go for a temporary solution that'll only last a couple years.
I rather have a lottery pick plus a need to select a new goalie in a couple of years than not a first rounder and a goalie that is mostly known for health issues.
So the amount of games he plays has nothing to do with his level?
Are you saying that Sacco used Varlamov in too many games given how Varly played in a couple of games? That's probably true, but it's easy to be a general after the battle.
i don't disagree with what sherman has done. he has brought in a talented core together. sacco i think needs to go, i mean , look at last night johnson and wilson on for 3 straight goals. you would think he would have juggled the lines after the first 2 but he kept them together. even though the two were out of position on every goal exept the third which was a lucky bounce, the players have to take some blame as well. erik johnson has to step up as one of our leaders and so far no one has. foote should have stuck around for one more year. this team is with out leadership.
I rather have a lottery pick plus a need to select a new goalie in a couple of years than not a first rounder and a goalie that is mostly known for health issues.
That's faulty. Varly's known just as much for his incredible talent as his health issues. I'd rather have a 23 year old goalie capable of winning multiple Vezinas over the course of the next decade rather than another first round pick and a goalie who'll be retiring and need to be replaced right as the rest of our core is entering its prime. Meaning we'd need to find a prime age Goaler who was already NHL tested and ready to carry the team to wins in a couple years.
I rather have a lottery pick plus a need to select a new goalie in a couple of years than not a first rounder and a goalie that is mostly known for health issues.
This. Sherm the worm overpaid for varly. Giving a 1st and a 2nd for a goalie with health issues that was one foot out the door to the khl? Come on that's robbery. I believe that you only overpay for a sure thing and varly is still from a sure thing. If the avs end up as a bottom 10 team then sherm the worm must pay for it with his job. He can't keep overpaying in trades and not suffer the consequences.
This. Sherm the worm overpaid for varly. Giving a 1st and a 2nd for a goalie with health issues that was one foot out the door to the khl? Come on that's robbery. I believe that you only overpay for a sure thing and varly is still from a sure thing. If the avs end up as a bottom 10 team then sherm the worm must pay for it with his job. He can't keep overpaying in trades and not suffer the consequences.
What does it matter that Varly was on his way to the KHL? It gives Washington more time to realize Neuvirth isn't as talented as him and Holtby might never be either and then they go back to varly, pay him what he's worth and have themselves a great goalie. If Neuvirth or Holtby make him truly expendable then they've got a great asset that they can move for a 1st round pick + at a later date. Washington didn't have to trade him this offseason even if he wasn't going to play for them, especially with Vokoun on the market.
The way this team dominates other teams when they set their mind to it clearly indicates to me that the team is a lot better than the record shows. That the team takes half the game to get started screams coaching issue to me. The coaching staff must prepare this team better for the start of the games.
I also have some concerns on the players' side. The Avs pride themselves in drafting guys with character. I don't see this character right now unless we are down by a few goals. If that was the case the team would start games with a lot more energy.
The blame should be carried by both the coaching staff and the players. At this point it is a lot easier to replace the coaching staff than change half the team.
And lastly give the C to O'Reilly for crying out loud. He has been our most consistent player all year as far as effort is concerned and he is also delivering offensively.
Vokoun doesn't enter into it. He is an aging goaltender, and not a long term solution. That's a good thing for Washington, because they were cup contenders before picking up Vokoun. The Avs were not, and picking up a Vokoun would not make them cup contenders. By the time we're done rebuilding, Vokoun would be 37 or 38, on the decline, if not retired, and we'd be in the exact same position we were in before... in need of a goaltender.
Avs have taken a chance by picking up a young goaltender with a very high potential that could be the guy that minds our net for the next decade or more. I love that that's what they chose to do rather than go for a temporary solution that'll only last a couple years.
I didn't say anything about the Avs picking up Vokoun, what I said was the Caps made out like Kings in all this, and the Avs have a slightly above average goalie and no 1st rounder in a year when that 1st rounder looks like being a good one.
Vokoun wasn't right for the Avs, but neither was losing a 1st in yet another re-build year.
That's faulty. Varly's known just as much for his incredible talent as his health issues. I'd rather have a 23 year old goalie capable of winning multiple Vezinas over the course of the next decade rather than another first round pick and a goalie who'll be retiring and need to be replaced right as the rest of our core is entering its prime. Meaning we'd need to find a prime age Goaler who was already NHL tested and ready to carry the team to wins in a couple years.
The problem Sherlock creates is that he couldn't care less if the player is actually able to play, the only thing that matters is that he has talent. Take your pick from Varlamov, Mueller, Fleischmann, Hishon and I'm sure people here can add to that list.
Well for starters Sacco seriously needs to go and we need to hire a 'PROVEN' coach, no more bringing up an AHL guy or someone from our past, a NEW coach. Guys like Andy Murray and Craig MacTavish come to my mind; i'd prefer the later.
It's also apparent that there is a lack of top six wingers. One of two things need to happen either Lando gets moved up or they make a move for a top-6.
I love the O'Reilly line to death, but it needs to be broken up. We need Landeskog to move up to inject more offensive ability/grit on our top-6 wings and we need Winnik and O'Reilly to be playing more PK minutes at the expense of their top-6 5v5 minutes.
It baffles me that O'Reilly hardly plays on the PK anymore when he's like 2nd in the league in take-aways. I understand giving him more of an offensive role but his defensive role is more important to the team and I'm pretty sure O'Reilly would take whats more important to the team over putting up better individual numbers any day.
This team cannot afford to give away top-5 pick I live in Toronto, i've seen what that does to fans ...
The problem Sherlock creates is that he couldn't care less if the player is actually able to play, the only thing that matters is that he has talent. Take your pick from Varlamov, Mueller, Fleischmann, Hishon and I'm sure people here can add to that list.
I don't know what you're talking about. Mueller and Fleischmann were extremely good trades that didn't pan out because of unfortunate freak injuries. We traded Wolski's lazy *** for Mueller who helped us get to the post-season and he got injured by a dirty check by Blake. We traded Hannan for Fleischmann who immediately generated great chemistry with Duchene and helped us win a ton of games. I don't think you can justify blaming Flash for his injury either.
Hishon turned out to be a great pick, he's not suffering from the same injury he had in his draft year; it's a CONCUSSION and concussions are never the players fault.
The jury is still out on the Varly trade, but let's just remember how solid Varlamov has shown he can be. It doesn't help when the defence is constantly inconsistent and the offence has trouble finishing their chances. The knock on Varly is that he's been injury prone. Well, he's been healthy.
You know what annoys me about this whole situation? The choice of what to do is so simple and managmenr doesnt get it.
Sherman obviously thought we woyld at the very least be a fringe playoff team otherwise he wouldnt have traded our pick for Varly. We have no reason to tank this year and we are on a skid with the players seeming to not give a **** for half of most of the games.
At this point sherman can do one of three things:1. wait it out and hope for the best, possiably waiting until its too late. 2. Wait until we lose more and and try to retool the roster yet again or 3. fire the coach and hope that it provides a spark.
Looking from the outside in, if im the managment im going to fire the coach because that is the easiest option with the fewest reprocutions. Whats the worst thing that can happen? you discover it was indeed a player fault and then you move on to one of the other options? On the other hand it could indeed be the coaching and the whole season could turn around.
It just seems like a no brainer to me. If you start panic trading players and it turns out it was because of coaching systems, we're going to look like a bigger joke than if we fire the coach to try to get something going and it doesnt work.
I don't know what you're talking about. Mueller and Fleischmann were extremely good trades that didn't pan out because of unfortunate freak injuries. We traded Wolski's lazy *** for Mueller who helped us get to the post-season and he got injured by a dirty check by Blake. We traded Hannan for Fleischmann who immediately generated great chemistry with Duchene and helped us win a ton of games. I don't think you can justify blaming Flash for his injury either.
Hishon turned out to be a great pick, he's not suffering from the same injury he had in his draft year; it's a CONCUSSION and concussions are never the players fault.
The jury is still out on the Varly trade, but let's just remember how solid Varlamov has shown he can be. It doesn't help when the defence is constantly inconsistent and the offence has trouble finishing their chances. The knock on Varly is that he's been injury prone. Well, he's been healthy.
Mueller had had concussions before. Hishon was ranked so low partly because of his injuries, it really doesn't matter why you can't play if you can't play. Fleischmann had the same medical issue before coming to Avs. Varlamov has never played more than 30 games in NHL.
Are you seriously saying these injuries Hishon, Fleischmann and Mueller have had are a huge surprise to you?
Oh HFBoards...let's not forget we're just 2 points out of 4th place. The west is a tough conference and it's going to be a seesaw battle all year. The puck isn't bouncing our way lately, plain and simple. Every goal on Varly it seems is either from some crazy rebound or deflection or just a perfect shot(as well as some poor defensive decisions). I do think JS needs some more starts, but Varly has been very good, and it's been a bit frustrating to watch him lose some of these games. Same thing goes for the offense,for one reason or another the puck isn't going in the net...it happens. Also, the main thing with this team is confidence. I truly think that is what's holding us back from being an elite team in this league,but that's what happens when your young. I know I'm simplifying things tremendously, but that's how I see it. We have one of the most talented young rosters in the league, and when we start winning games again,everyone will be happy.
So the amount of games he plays has nothing to do with his level?
What are you even getting at with this comment? I hope you're not trying to say he's gotten too many games, because a #1 should easily be able to handle the workload he's been given...
Damn we sound like the Maple Leafs after the Kessel trade.
Fan base split - half of them talking themselves into reasons it could be a good trade, and the other half tying up nooses ready to hang everyone associated with the club.
I don't know what you're talking about. Mueller and Fleischmann were extremely good trades that didn't pan out because of unfortunate freak injuries. We traded Wolski's lazy *** for Mueller who helped us get to the post-season and he got injured by a dirty check by Blake. We traded Hannan for Fleischmann who immediately generated great chemistry with Duchene and helped us win a ton of games. I don't think you can justify blaming Flash for his injury either.
Hishon turned out to be a great pick, he's not suffering from the same injury he had in his draft year; it's a CONCUSSION and concussions are never the players fault.
The jury is still out on the Varly trade, but let's just remember how solid Varlamov has shown he can be. It doesn't help when the defence is constantly inconsistent and the offence has trouble finishing their chances. The knock on Varly is that he's been injury prone. Well, he's been healthy.
Well, the new knock is that he's starting to become the goalie that can't stop a beach ball as of late.
As someone else said, doesn't matter why you can't play if you can't play. Wasn't surprised by either Mueller or Flash's injuries, and something tells me Sherman wasn't either.
Well, the new knock is that he's starting to become the goalie that can't stop a beach ball as of late.
As someone else said, doesn't matter why you can't play if you can't play. Wasn't surprised by either Mueller or Flash's injuries, and something tells me Sherman wasn't either.
You can say that about mueller, but Flash had a medical condition.
Oh HFBoards...let's not forget we're just 2 points out of 4th place. The west is a tough conference and it's going to be a seesaw battle all year.
And that's exactly why it is totally unacceptable to have one regulation win from 12 games. And if only that was the worst part, but it isn't. Avs are 0-8 (points) in divisional games. That's easily the worst in NHL (well, ok, Rangers are also with 0 points, but they've played one single divisional game so far). And three of those games have been at home, so they've started by losing a quarter of their home games - and naturally all in regulation. There hasn't even been a game against the defending Conference Champions yet.
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You can say that about mueller, but Flash had a medical condition.
I have understood that it was something (can't remember the English name of keuhkoveritulppa) that is known to be recurring.
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What are you even getting at with this comment? I hope you're not trying to say he's gotten too many games, because a #1 should easily be able to handle the workload he's been given...
Hey all,
I just want to say that something is obviously wrong with Sacco, look at what Nabby was saying this game. When they called time out in the Islanders game he said that it was SOB talking during it, taking lead and rioting the boys up to play better. While this is great for our boys on the bench and show that there is leadership in that locker room, it also speaks to our coaching staff in a negative way(in my eyes at least). When this is clearly a problem, shouldn't it be Sacco driving this out of them? If it was just that one time then I wouldn't have been worried or taken too much note of it. However you come back two days later and BAM same freaking BS we have to sit through? Nah something is up.
Second point, who has been watching the locker room reports after the game? The Sacco interviews are just pathetic. Just reading his body language makes him seem so... stretched thin, or at the limit. His answers are just farts in the wind. Especially when they ask him how are you going to fix the problem with starting flat, and about our home record. On two occasions he has said "I don't know" never when you are talking about your job is that a good answer. Again perhaps I'm reading into it, or perhaps he is just a terrible interviewer. I just know that when I hear that he doesn't know how to fix it I get deflated for the next game. Also his follow up to that question on the calgary game was something along the lines of "we just need to keep plugging away at it" Im sorry buf F that. Clearly that has not been working. You need to get off your *** and make a change that isn't tweaking the lineup...
Sorry about the wall of text I'm just getting frustrated for the guys.
p.s. Who here loves hearing/watching the commentary of Rycroft!?! How about him for our new coach!
Mueller had had concussions before. Hishon was ranked so low partly because of his injuries, it really doesn't matter why you can't play if you can't play. Fleischmann had the same medical issue before coming to Avs. Varlamov has never played more than 30 games in NHL.
Are you seriously saying these injuries Hishon, Fleischmann and Mueller have had are a huge surprise to you?
Yes, but Mueller had fully recovered from it & was playing fine and symptom free afterwards. From what that Neurologist had said, he was just as likely as anyone else to get a concussion it was merely unlucky.
Fleischmann had a medical condition but the fact he was playing in the NHL should be enough of an indicator that he was capable of playing. The altitude should've been in question when dealing for Flash but it's not like we gave up a lot or screwed our future up for him.
Hishon was ranked low because he had missed half the season with a broken foot. His injury now has nothing to do with the 'injuries' that had caused him to drop so much in the rankings. Injuries happen to young players and unfortunately they drop in the draft rankings but that doesn't mean they are not capable of playing at a high level.
None of the injuries are surprising, they are really unfortunate cause they are injuries out of their control.
You teach Ryan Wilson how to pick up forwards on odd man rushes, and you be patient. I still think the Avs are a pretty decent team; they're just not getting any breaks right now.
The save percentage of goalies facing the Avs in Denver is 95%. That's 12% higher than the best save percentage ever posted in a season. Completely unsustainable. If you take the Avs' shot totals at home and instead use an average save percentage of 91% (which is what the league average has hovered around the past few years) the Avs would have 25 goals at home instead of 13. 25 home goals would give the Avs a +1 goal differential at home instead of -11.
