What have they done to prove they are worth more than that? I equate them both to what Sbisa was when we traded for him.
Sbisa had 30 games in the league under his belt when we traded for him. Kulemin had a 30 goal season, Grabovski a 29 goal /58 point season on a 2nd line. I don't really understand that comparision.
We are not trading Bobby Ryan and none of RPG will be going to Toronto. He's a perennial 30+ goal scorer and part of our core locked up. Not going to happen.
Before I do a counter, what is Anaheim looking for?
For me? Personally a early 1st round pick so we can draft Humda to pair with Fowler in this years draft. Both players have laser shots an equal amount of talent. This trade will bring back the early years if Pronger and Nieds scoring from the point.
Sbisa had 30 games in the league under his belt when we traded for him. Kulemin had a 30 goal season, Grabovski a 29 goal /58 point season on a 2nd line. I don't really understand that comparision.
Because those stats are subjective as hell. You know who else can score 30 on a bad team? Matt Moulson. I don't think you would want Matt Moulson as a centerpiece for a trade for Bobby Ryan.
I honestly don't trust either of those seasons enough to trade Ryan for them. Not even close.
Im not sure about salary cap, but could that work?
Yeah, that's not going to work any better. We are lacking center depth to begin with, and dealing Holland makes that even worth. Even among the crowd that would consider dealing Ryan for depth, this won't be liked. Schenn-Fowler is a nice thought, but other than that, it's not good.
You have to realize that though that half the problem of not scoring is the effort it takes to get the puck out of the d-zone. A good blueline makes an average forward group look good because they have the puck in better situations. Nashville is a great example of this.
Because those stats are subjective as hell. You know who else can score 30 on a bad team? Matt Moulson. I don't think you would want Matt Moulson as a centerpiece for a trade for Bobby Ryan.
Meh. I sure wouldn't, but Moulson was a complimentary player to Tavares. Kulemin and Grabovsky created a successful line on their own, unless you consider MacArthur the driving force there.
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I honestly don't trust either of those seasons enough to trade Ryan for them. Not even close.
... and I don't have a problem with that, really. I'm not saying I would be able to get myself to pull the trigger. I just believe they are decent assets and the value isn't terrible. Not believing in them, or the concept of trading for depth is something I can understand.
You have to realize that though that half the problem of not scoring is the effort it takes to get the puck out of the d-zone. A good blueline makes an average forward group look good because they have the puck in better situations. Nashville is a great example of this.
Absolutely. We certainly aren't helping our forwards enough in that regard right now, apart from Fowler. That said and to play devil's advocate, last year's Toronto defense really wasn't one that one could credit for the success of that 2nd line.
I don't understand why everyone wants to trade Ryan. Personally, I think Ryan has the ability to become the Ducks top scorer once he has more PP time. He's also signed to a good contract for another few years.
The Ducks always seem to start slowly and sure enough...here we are again. But we're barely more than a month in to a new season and trading a player of Bobby's calibre at this moment in time is out of the question. Sure, if the Ducks are looking back next summer having just finished an horrific campaign they may have to ask themselves some tough questions but not in November.
Then say goodbye to Ryan + or Getzlaf. That's what it would take to get Giroux. Especially considering he is still a RFA once his current contract ends.
Then say goodbye to Ryan + or Getzlaf. That's what it would take to get Giroux. Especially considering he is still a RFA once his current contract ends.
If we trade Getzlaf for Giroux, we could still have the RPG -line!!
This years draft is being considered equal or better than 03 draft. The top 5 players in this years draft will be playing NHL for 2012-13 season. This draft year is rediculous with talent, instead of trading Ryan for mediocre 2nd and 3rd liners when we could easily move him for that plus early 1st rounders?
Top 5 players in 2003: Fleury, Staal, Horton, Zherdev, Vanek. In that list, only Staal, Horton, and Zherdev played at 18.
Best players from 2003 and when they were picked: Getzlaf (19), Staal (2), Perry (28), Parise (17), Richards (24), Kesler (23), Eriksson (33), Weber (49), Suter (7), Enstrom (239). In this best list, only Staal played at 18.
"Best draft" labels from 2003 is less about the very top picks and more about how great players were available through the first 2 rounds.
Agree with ya snark in which is why Ide like to have two first rounders like we did in 03, and let our scouting pick the best players out of it. With our recent success out the past few years, it would be awesome to get another 03 year
