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Eller or Desharnais

View Poll Results: Who would you take?
Lars Eller "The Great Dane" 128 92.09%
David Desharnais "deHARNAY" 11 7.91%
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11-15-2011, 03:09 PM
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I really like both of these players especially Desharnais. DD reminds me of Koivu a bit (not comparing) using his strong center of gravity to shield the puck. He also DRIVES the net which i like. But then again hes 5'7" 170 ish pounds.
Would you rather have a 6'3" 215lb center with good speed and size and a big shot or a big playmaking center?

Eller is a good player with a potential to become a top six center. I think we have seen a lot of potential from him this year with his rather strong play. But i think there's so much more he can do but i just don't see him progressing offensively. 1. he has to get better on the face-offs. 2. He has to learn how to take a pass (not from Gomez) / how to shoot a one-timer. 3. Use his body and skating better.
Would you rather move him for a similar player that is younger and uses his 6'3" 215lb frame better the Eller does.

Who would you rather keep if one were to be traded?
ELLER or DESHARNAIS?
Eller has more long term upside, but right now Desharnais is more productive.

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11-15-2011, 05:20 PM
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Not too long ago I would have said Eller for sure but DD has really shown me. I never believed in that guy. And everytime he seems to make me look like a fool. I will never bet against that guy ever again.

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11-15-2011, 05:23 PM
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Eller's the better overall player is every asset except for passing. Desharnais advantage is from playing with Patches and Cole. Had Eller been centering that line for the past 5,6 games he'd have a decent amount of extra goals and assists.

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11-15-2011, 05:26 PM
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Eller's the better overall player is every asset except for passing. Desharnais advantage is from playing with Patches and Cole. Had Eller been centering that line for the past 5,6 games he'd have a decent amount of extra goals and assists.
Hard to establish chemistry when your linemates change nearly every game.

Revolving door of wingers that includes Darche, Moen, Gomez, Palushaj, Cammalleri, Nokalainen.

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11-15-2011, 05:33 PM
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Not too long ago I would have said Eller for sure but DD has really shown me. I never believed in that guy. And everytime he seems to make me look like a fool. I will never bet against that guy ever again.
Put Eller between Cole and Patches and put DD where Eller is and you won't look like a fool anymore.

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11-15-2011, 05:49 PM
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How many others made the same mistake? hahaha
I didn't vote. Keeping myself safe for when this gets bumped a few years down the road.

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11-15-2011, 05:58 PM
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Put Eller between Cole and Patches and put DD where Eller is and you won't look like a fool anymore.
Do you have a crystal ball? You can't know that for sure. In the past, plenty of players have been put on first lines only to fail to produce anything.

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11-15-2011, 06:22 PM
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Depends on what lenght of time we talk about.

Long term: Eller, the guy is potentially, a excellent 2nd line / correct 1st line center. But as of now, is not close to perform that level.

This season: Desharnais, is already an average 2nd line center, maybe small, but in offense aspect he's right in the average. That the most important on a second line.

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11-15-2011, 09:26 PM
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Eller certainly would've been the better option last night in the 3rd period up by 2 goals.

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11-15-2011, 10:37 PM
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Definitely Eller, Desharnais gets knocked off the puck way, way too easily. We are already seeing brief glimpses of what Eller can do, he's becoming tougher to knock off the puck, he can stick handle, his shot is improving - by the time he's Desharnais' age we should have a real gem on our hands.

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11-15-2011, 10:50 PM
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Definitely Eller, Desharnais gets knocked off the puck way, way too easily. We are already seeing brief glimpses of what Eller can do, he's becoming tougher to knock off the puck, he can stick handle, his shot is improving - by the time he's Desharnais' age we should have a real gem on our hands.
Eller got a 100 nhl games under his belt so far,

Desharnais has 66.

These peple saying DD get knocked off puck to easy? I always see him battling,like on the Habs first goal last night .Even though he was on the ice.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq7xjnc9AaA

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11-15-2011, 11:14 PM
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Eller got a 100 nhl games under his belt so far,

Desharnais has 66.

These peple saying DD get knocked off puck to easy? I always see him battling,like on the Habs first goal last night .Even though he was on the ice.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq7xjnc9AaA
There were a lot more situation that when he had the puck other player pushed him in the back and he just lost control of the puck. He does battle a lot and as a lot of grit. What people are saying is not the effort he is putting to make plays or battle for the puck but more for his physical condition where he can get pushed easily off the puck because he is small. When you look at him and compare him to Gio for instance, he doesn't have the same physical condition even though both are small. It takes more to knock the puck of Gio.

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11-15-2011, 11:25 PM
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There were a lot more situation that when he had the puck other player pushed him in the back and he just lost control of the puck. He does battle a lot and as a lot of grit. What people are saying is not the effort he is putting to make plays or battle for the puck but more for his physical condition where he can get pushed easily off the puck because he is small. When you look at him and compare him to Gio for instance, he doesn't have the same physical condition even though both are small. It takes more to knock the puck of Gio.
DD does battle, and as i mentioned he only got 66 games under his belt.Let's talk in a few years and see how much more his game has progressed.

Gionta at game 66 of his NHL career , i can tell you didn't look like the same guy today .Matter of fact Gio had 36 points in first 91 games.Again DD is a special player , your just seeing the beginning.

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11-15-2011, 11:42 PM
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Habaneros. Really dude. Your stats mean jack all. You telling me DD is better then Spezza, Tavares, Toews etc. Like come on dude.

His stats mean nothing when you can watch him get PUSHED off the puck. Not hit, pushed.

Ellen will be a superior player and actually is a better player already. The funny thing is DD isnt playing against the best competition and has free range on offense while Eller is restricted to a defense 1st roll.

You put Eller on the PP and I bet you he matches DD's current season total. That kid with can pass and that extra second or two will set up some nice goals (see his cross crease from 3 games ago).

Eller by a long shot. Crap I'd keep him in the line up while benching DD for homerz

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11-16-2011, 12:01 AM
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At the end of the day, Desharnais is producing more than Eller. You can say whatever you want about Eller producing more than him if he had the same ice time, but you can't know for sure.

So we can't be sure which is the best right now because they play in different conditions, but you absolutely can't say with certainty that Eller is better than Desharnais.

This forums is always very hard on the Québécois... Right now Desharnais is producing. There is really no reason to be unhappy about his performance right now, and you sure as hell can't bench him unless you want to make your team worst. You don't break a line that works, period.

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At the end of the day, Desharnais is producing more than Eller. You can say whatever you want about Eller producing more than him if he had the same ice time, but you can't know for sure.

So we can't be sure which is the best right now because they play in different conditions, but you absolutely can't say with certainty that Eller is better than Desharnais.

This forums is always very hard on the Québécois... Right now Desharnais is producing. There is really no reason to be unhappy about his performance right now, and you sure as hell can't bench him unless you want to make your team worst. You don't break a line that works, period.
I'd say 105 to 8 is a pretty clear message that we are saying Eller is better than Desharnais. Eller isn't be used in an offensive role like DD. He's being used to shut down the opposition. So far in games DD hasn't scored, his line is usually the one getting scored against and costing us games. On the other hand I'd say Eller's line has lost zero games for us. Also Eller is better looking.

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11-16-2011, 03:16 AM
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I'd pronounce it DAY-arnay no matter what the announcers say, This guy requires very strong support, which explains why he's playing with Cole and Pacioretty.

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Eller's the better overall player is every asset except for passing. Desharnais advantage is from playing with Patches and Cole. Had Eller been centering that line for the past 5,6 games he'd have a decent amount of extra goals and assists.
Faceoffs?

And DD hasn't had the same linemates every game either.

Although this just makes it sound like I hate Eller, which I don't, because I wanted him over McDonagh in the draft. Eller rules.

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At the end of the day, Desharnais is producing more than Eller. You can say whatever you want about Eller producing more than him if he had the same ice time, but you can't know for sure.

So we can't be sure which is the best right now because they play in different conditions, but you absolutely can't say with certainty that Eller is better than Desharnais.

This forums is always very hard on the Québécois... Right now Desharnais is producing. There is really no reason to be unhappy about his performance right now, and you sure as hell can't bench him unless you want to make your team worst. You don't break a line that works, period.
I share the same opinion, but I think long term, the Danish CAN become a better, more productive, more complete player.

But right now, if they'd put DD with Darche and Blunden, those guys would be putting up points from the nifty passes and above average vision of DD. How many times he sets up Cole and Pax in the offensive zone, crazy good vision. He just have an extremely obvious downside, his size, and is easily pushed around, but when he has that extra second to make a play he'll see the opening. Eller still needs to find this offensive instinct. Eller with AK was a good duo, can't wait to see him back.

Gald to have them both right now. Less Gomez more Eller / DD plz.

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Also Eller is better looking.
glad im not the only one who thinks so

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I'd say 105 to 8 is a pretty clear message that we are saying Eller is better than Desharnais. Eller isn't be used in an offensive role like DD. He's being used to shut down the opposition. So far in games DD hasn't scored, his line is usually the one getting scored against and costing us games. On the other hand I'd say Eller's line has lost zero games for us. Also Eller is better looking.
And you are wrong to say it given the respective productions of the players. Reality doesn't work by democracy.

It makes sense that more goals would be scored against Desharnais' line, he has more ice time.

Eller has had many chances up to now but he can't finish. He might be better than Desharnais eventually but not right now.

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Usual dirty stuff on this Habs board.

We cannot just talk about OUR team vs another team...

We have to start bashing fest about one of our own player vs another one of our own player...

Childish stuff.


We need BOTH of these young centers, with their strengths and weakenesses. they are different.

Normal to expect big things from Eller because he was a first rounder.* But be honest folk, give some credits to a guy that never been drafted and fought his way to the hifghest level despite his size.

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glad im not the only one who thinks so
Yeah, but he can't grow a 'stache, let alone a playoff beard

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I'd pronounce it DAY-arnay no matter what the announcers say, This guy requires very strong support, which explains why he's playing with Cole and Pacioretty.
That's a screwed POV. he is playing with them because he is just more crative and offensively gifted than Eller.

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