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David Poile picked GM position with Predators over Maple Leafs

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06-02-2017, 03:51 PM
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David Poile picked GM position with Predators over Maple Leafs

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/d...s-maple-leafs/

I wonder how history would have been different for both the Maple Leafs and Predators if Poile went to the Toronto and not Nashville?

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06-02-2017, 04:43 PM
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.... interesting.... he's clearly one of the best in the business.... however..... hello?...... Toronto?..... the Leafs?..... killer. Especially during that period & for several years thereafter. On the one hand obviously an improvement over what we had to live with but on the other, Im just not sure we wouldnt be talking Horror Stories all over again, just a different version of the one that unfolded.

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This is as good a place to ask as any. How is his last name pronounced, phonetically?

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This is as good a place to ask as any. How is his last name pronounced, phonetically?
Isn't it just like Boyle? Am I missing something here?

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06-02-2017, 05:03 PM
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Isn't it just like Boyle? Am I missing something here?
... nope... not missing anything.... thats how its pronounced... like Boyle only with a 'P'.

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Who knows. In Nashville he was probably given green light to do whatever. In Toronto in the past he likely wouldnt have been given that much freedom because ownership wanted to win asap

Ryan Ellis was a 5 year draft and develop, doubt Toronto ownership had that patience. Number of his deals were risky too

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06-02-2017, 06:25 PM
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Poile made what he thought was the right decision for him and he ended up building a heck of a team in Nashville

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pretty crazy that the preds had the same coach for 18 years and have had only one GM since their inception 20 years ago

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Even though I'm a diehard Wings (and then Hawks) fan, Poile is my favorite GM, objectively speaking. Never has one man done so much with so little. He's really quite amazing.

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pretty crazy that the preds had the same coach for 18 years and have had only one GM since their inception 20 years ago
Poile has had a total of five head coaches in his 33 years as GM. (I didn't count lost lockout season and his first year in Nashville as the team didn't play yet)

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Who knows. In Nashville he was probably given green light to do whatever. In Toronto in the past he likely wouldnt have been given that much freedom because ownership wanted to win asap

Ryan Ellis was a 5 year draft and develop, doubt Toronto ownership had that patience. Number of his deals were risky too
Keep in mind that Toronto was able to spend much more than Nashville for about the first decade and some change. Who knows how that would have played out.

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06-03-2017, 01:28 PM
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from now on ima call him "da-VEED pwaal"

or maybe there's an implied accent aigu. "da-VEED pwaa-LAY"

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pretty crazy that the preds had the same coach for 18 years and have had only one GM since their inception 20 years ago
And there's likely no way he lasts 20 years as GM in Toronto, given how fickle that market and organization has been historically. He made the right decision.

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06-04-2017, 03:04 PM
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He built the Caps from a joke into a perennial playoff contender eventually a SC finalist (left the team in 97 but that 98 teams was HIS team) and has done wonders in NSH. Honestly, Dryden/Quinn did a solid job in Toronto so who knows if Poile would have fared any better.

He said in an interview the other day he would have gone with Toronto had they offered him the job ASAP, instead they told him to wait around for a day, turns out after he flew home to DC the Preds president called him and said they wanted him to be their GM.

His dad Bud, was the first GM of both Philly and Vancouver, guess it runs in the family

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His dad Bud, was the first GM of both Philly and Vancouver, guess it runs in the family
Bud leading a bit of an itinerant life as a player starting out at just 18 with the Leafs, moving around a fair bit, player-Coach in the Maritime Major Hockey League, all over the map. He & his brother products of Thunder Bays' system which was one of the best during its heydays. His younger brother Don and Davids Uncle also played in the NHL, 60+ games for Detroit mid-to-late-50's and he too having a decent minor pro career, both of them together in Edmonton with the WHL Flyers for some time I believe.

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One of the better GM's in NHL history. Got to wonder how he would have fared with Toronto and if he could have led those Toronto teams to a Cup finals.

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If you think about it, Poile got to live the dream we all aspire to as fantasy GMs. Build a team from scratch with his own guys in place and minimal pressure from the owners, fans and media to allow his plans to develop. Maybe had some belt tightening issues in the lean years, but still.....two wins from a Stanley Cup has to be quite the journey.

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Considering how convoluted the ownership/management situation in Toronto was.. he made the right choice.

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may as well put this here

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nashville's defense over the last decade has been a wild ride. has any team almost completely overhauled its entire d-corps so often and still had such a successful star-studded group?

suter timonen
hamhuis weber
zanon zidlicky

became

suter weber
blum klein
o'brien franson

which became

josi weber
ekholm ellis
[enema bag] jones

and now is

josi subban
ekholm ellis
irwin y weber


my first comparison is washington from the langway trade era on:

langway veitch
stevens engblom
holt blomqvist

to

stevens murphy
langway hatcher
smith blum

to

stevens rouse
johansson hatcher
langway sheehy

to

johansson hatcher
iafrate cote
cavallini anderson


i think at every point, you would say about those teams: damn, that's a really deep and good defense. in fact, i think the only one of those teams to make it to the finals has the weakest depth, due to a pretty bad botom pair; its top four is fantastic though.
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so i just realized something about my two examples:

David Poile General Manager of the Washington Capitals 1982–97

David Poile General Manager of the Nashville Predators 1998–present

well then
what could poile have done with the leafs? who knows?

but i think we know that he wouldn't have signed jeff finger or mike komisarek. and probably not liles or robidas in those years at those dollars either.

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If Poile comes to the Leafs, then there's obviously no power struggle between Dryden and Anders Hedberg for control of GM duties. There'd also be the question of whether Pat Quinn comes in to be coach in 1998 (and then GM in 2000) and if CuJo signs along with him. Without those moves, the Leafs might have gone the way of the Rangers of that time: big budget but no on-ice success. All the playoff runs in that era might have never happened as a result.

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Since entering the NHL in 1998-99, the Predators have been in the playoffs in 10 of their 18 seasons of existence, with only two head coaches during their entire tenure.

Since that same year, the Leafs have made the playoffs in eight seasons as well, have gone through six different bench bosses and seven different GMs.

There's no ****ing way Poile lasts 18 seasons in Toronto, let alone would upper management allow him to retain coaches for as long as he has.

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Since entering the NHL in 1998-99, the Predators have been in the playoffs in 10 of their 18 seasons of existence, with only two head coaches during their entire tenure.

Since that same year, the Leafs have made the playoffs in eight seasons as well, have gone through six different bench bosses and seven different GMs.

There's no ****ing way Poile lasts 18 seasons in Toronto, let alone would upper management allow him to retain coaches for as long as he has.
Poile probably doesn't get the leeway he's had in Nashville, but who knows how he does inheriting a team with a prime Mats Sundin and Cujo instead of Cliff Ronning and Mike Dunham.

Some interesting hypotheticals here, but with so many variables it's impossible to say how the Leafs do.

It'd be interesting to see what he could do with a bigger budget in '98-'09 and maybe his frugalness prevents Toronto from signing some bloated contracts like the pre-cap days. He's definitely not signing Jeff Finger to that contract, that's for sure.

He's also not afraid to make a blockbuster when needed, if Toronto's building around Sundin and Cujo does Poile make deals to shore up their defense before Sundin's prime ended?

If Poile preaches patience and a drafting strategy does Toronto still trade for and sign over the hill former stars like Nolan, Francis and Leetch in the early-mid 00's instead of focusing on developing their prospects?

Steen, Colaiacovo, Rask are some good names. Does Rask develop into an elite starter in Toronto, especially if Poile brings someone like Mitch Korn on board?

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There's no ****ing way Poile lasts 18 seasons in Toronto, let alone would upper management allow him to retain coaches for as long as he has.
... totally agree. I doubt that even if Scotty Bowman had landed in Toronto he too wouldnt have been devoured.

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Poile probably doesn't get the leeway he's had in Nashville, but who knows how he does inheriting a team with a prime Mats Sundin and Cujo instead of Cliff Ronning and Mike Dunham.
If Poilie had accepted the job in Toronto he would have only have been inheriting Sundin and not Joseph, since he didn't sign with the Leafs until July 1998. So who knows if Poilie would have signed him as a UFA?

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If Poilie had accepted the job in Toronto he would have only have been inheriting Sundin and not Joseph, since he didn't sign with the Leafs until July 1998. So who knows if Poilie would have signed him as a UFA?
Never thought of that, still the point stands Sundin's a bigger building block than anybody Poile has to work with until the '03 draft.

With his M.O. being build from the net out I'm sure he could have found a starter if they don't get Joseph that summer.

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