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11-15-2011, 09:53 AM
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I think this will actually go well with both team's fanbases.

To Col- Grabovski, Schenn
To Tor- Stastny, 2nd round pick (2013)

Leafs lineup after trade (everyone healthy)

Lupul Stastny Kessel
Kulemin Connolly Mac
Lombardi Bozak Armstrong
Dupuis Steckel Brown

Phaneuf Gunnarsson
Gardiner Franson
Liles Komisarek

Avs Lineup after trade (everyone healthy)

Jones Grabovski Hejduk
Lindstrom Duchene Kobasew
Landeskog O"Reilly Winnik
Mcleod Mcclement Galiardi

Johnson Schenn
O"Brien Quincey
Wilson Hejda

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11-15-2011, 09:58 AM
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I think this will actually go well with both team's fanbases.

To Col- Grabovski, Schenn
To Tor- Stastny, 2nd round pick (2013)

Leafs lineup after trade (everyone healthy)

Lupul Stastny Kessel
Kulemin Connolly Mac
Lombardi Bozak Armstrong
Dupuis Steckel Brown

Phaneuf Gunnarsson
Gardiner Franson
Liles Komisarek

Avs Lineup after trade (everyone healthy)

Jones Grabovski Hejduk
Lindstrom Duchene Kobasew
Landeskog O"Reilly Winnik
Mcleod Mcclement Galiardi

Johnson Schenn
O"Brien Quincey
Wilson Hejda


Not too bad of an offer though.

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11-15-2011, 09:59 AM
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Don't really care for Grabovski. And Luke Schenn is interesting, although that isn't our problem right now. We need more scoring punch.

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11-15-2011, 10:13 AM
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Don't really care for Grabovski. And Luke Schenn is interesting, although that isn't our problem right now. We need more scoring punch.
Personally I think Grabovski is just the type of player the Avs need right now. Amazing puck handling skills and exciting rushes to put butts back in the seats. I worked out the Salaries.. 6.5 mill going the Avs way, 6.6 coming to the Leafs.

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11-15-2011, 10:16 AM
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Arghhhh...I really like stastny, but this is a lot to give up from us

Props for pretty fair value though

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11-15-2011, 10:20 AM
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We don't have our 2013 2nd round pick. Considerig the overall value, it's almost Staz for Schenn straight up (since Grabo is a pending UFA) and that's not enough IMHO, without even taking into account that Schenn's been less than impressive this season.

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11-15-2011, 10:22 AM
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Personally I think Grabovski is just the type of player the Avs need right now. Amazing puck handling skills and exciting rushes to put butts back in the seats. I worked out the Salaries.. 6.5 mill going the Avs way, 6.6 coming to the Leafs.
I think replacing one player with a cap hit of $6.6M with two players making the same would lead to Avs being below the cap floor.

I'd be surprised if Avs traded Stastny this year.

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If Grabo wasn't a pending UFA it would be close.

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11-15-2011, 10:27 AM
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Personally I think Grabovski is just the type of player the Avs need right now. Amazing puck handling skills and exciting rushes to put butts back in the seats. I worked out the Salaries.. 6.5 mill going the Avs way, 6.6 coming to the Leafs.
Duchene does this... and he's better than Grabovski. Two of the same types of centers as your 1/2 isn't a smart way to build a team.

Staz/Duchy complement eachother, can be put on the same line easily enough and most importantly, Staz isn't a UFA we will lose at the end of the year as Grabovski is.

No, we don't do this. Would honestly rather keep O'Brien than acquire Schenn.

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11-15-2011, 11:44 AM
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Duchene does this... and he's better than Grabovski. Two of the same types of centers as your 1/2 isn't a smart way to build a team.

Staz/Duchy complement eachother, can be put on the same line easily enough and most importantly, Staz isn't a UFA we will lose at the end of the year as Grabovski is.

No, we don't do this. Would honestly rather keep O'Brien than acquire Schenn.
You mean 2 talented scoring centers is a bad way to build a team? Lol....

Ok, so make the 2nd a conditional upon grabo re-upping with you. Fair enough?

As a leaf fan, I've grown so tired of the constant cycle of underperforming centers on our team. (not that grabo does, but our 1C is a bloody mess)

I would be prepared to give up a kulemin, grabo, and Schenner to obtain one, give or take.

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11-15-2011, 11:50 AM
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You mean 2 talented scoring centers is a bad way to build a team? Lol....

Ok, so make the 2nd a conditional upon grabo re-upping with you. Fair enough?

As a leaf fan, I've grown so tired of the constant cycle of underperforming centers on our team. (not that grabo does, but our 1C is a bloody mess)

I would be prepared to give up a kulemin, grabo, and Schenner to obtain one, give or take.
Avs already have that, we don't need to downgrade to Grabo and we have no need for Schenn since he's a RH D-man and the Avs are full with those kind of D-man. Avs need a LH top pairing D-man to play with EJ and Schenn isn't one.

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You mean 2 talented scoring centers is a bad way to build a team? Lol....

Ok, so make the 2nd a conditional upon grabo re-upping with you. Fair enough?

As a leaf fan, I've grown so tired of the constant cycle of underperforming centers on our team. (not that grabo does, but our 1C is a bloody mess)

I would be prepared to give up a kulemin, grabo, and Schenner to obtain one, give or take.
Having two identical types of centers is not as successful a strategy as having different minded players. Sedin/Kesler, Crosby/Malkin, Thornton/Couture, Kopitar/Richards... all those players have different games associated with them. Two puck-hogs at center for your 1-2 punch is not as preferred as a playmaker/finesse combo.

As an Avs fan I have no interest in downgrading Stastny to Grabovski even if Schenn is in the package (our defense just needs patience, it's been better than our offense this season though and we have 4 very good prospects on d) especially if we have to include any sort of extra asset, conditional or otherwise.

Unless Burke goes mad and trades all 3 for Stastny, I don't see why we'd make a deal and further weaken our offense and remove one of our most consistent performers.

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11-15-2011, 11:55 AM
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Personally I think Grabovski is just the type of player the Avs need right now. Amazing puck handling skills and exciting rushes to put butts back in the seats. I worked out the Salaries.. 6.5 mill going the Avs way, 6.6 coming to the Leafs.
Not at all. We have too many soft, skill-only guys. We need more players who are strong along the boards and can play a good cycle game, like Stastny, actually.

Staz is probably the best guy we have when it comes to playing down low and in the cycle game. He's also heads and shoulders above everyone else on our team in terms of playmaking ability. He's also an important defensive cog in on our team.

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Not at all. We have too many soft, skill-only guys. We need more players who are strong along the boards and can play a good cycle game, like Stastny, actually.

Staz is probably the best guy we have when it comes to playing down low and in the cycle game. He's also heads and shoulders above everyone else on our team in terms of playmaking ability. He's also an important defensive cog in on our team.
Grabo is not 'soft' by any means. And he's probably in the best shape of anyone on the team - he certainly was in training camp. Wilson even commented on it. Grabo is a fantastic cycler...anyway, if you don't watch leaf games you wouldn't know.


I'd be prepared to offer Kule, Grabo + Schenner with some tweaking, or perhaps in combination with another move for a 2nd liner to fill in Kule's slot.

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Not at all. We have too many soft, skill-only guys. We need more players who are strong along the boards and can play a good cycle game, like Stastny, actually.

Staz is probably the best guy we have when it comes to playing down low and in the cycle game. He's also heads and shoulders above everyone else on our team in terms of playmaking ability. He's also an important defensive cog in on our team.
Grabovksi is no power forward but I can assure you he is anything but soft. Cycling the puck down low is what his line does best.

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Grabo is a really good player. A very solid second line C. Avs should take this deal and run. They're not downgrading on C by a lot and are adding Luke Schenn.

I don't like this from Toronto's POV at all.

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11-15-2011, 12:29 PM
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Grabo is a really good player. A very solid second line C. Avs should take this deal and run. They're not downgrading on C by a lot and are adding Luke Schenn.

I don't like this from Toronto's POV at all.
And what if Grabo leaves next offseason, where are the Avs then? It would basically mean that they traded their #1 center plus a 2nd round pick (which they don't even posses) for a 2nd pairing D-man, who could easily be leapfrogged by Stefan Elliot and became a 3rd pairing D-man for them. It sure doesn't sound like a smart trade from their POV.

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Personally I think Grabovski is just the type of player the Avs need right now. Amazing puck handling skills and exciting rushes to put butts back in the seats. I worked out the Salaries.. 6.5 mill going the Avs way, 6.6 coming to the Leafs.
I wouldn't say that Garbbo has amazing puck handling skills... he tends to be the reincarnation of Sergei Berezin, it looks like a lot is happening but usually ends up quite average. If Colorado trades a first line centre I think they could do a lot better than Schenn and Garbbo.

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I think this will actually go well with both team's fanbases.

To Col- Grabovski, Schenn
To Tor- Stastny, 2nd round pick (2013)

Leafs lineup after trade (everyone healthy)

Lupul Stastny Kessel
Kulemin Connolly Mac
Lombardi Bozak Armstrong
Dupuis Steckel Brown

Phaneuf Gunnarsson
Gardiner Franson
Liles Komisarek

Avs Lineup after trade (everyone healthy)

Jones Grabovski Hejduk
Lindstrom Duchene Kobasew
Landeskog O"Reilly Winnik
Mcleod Mcclement Galiardi

Johnson Schenn
O"Brien Quincey
Wilson Hejda
i think i would do from a leafs pov

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I'm not sure what the deal is with Schenn's development right now but unlike most Avs fans I actually do like Grabovski's game and would consider this for a signed Grabo. Would need some adjustments though. I would rather pry Kulemin out of Toronto but if the Avs are moving Stastny they would need to find a second line C anyways.

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how much of an upgrade is Stastny over Grabo? Luke Schenn worth? nope

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Get rid of the Avs 2nd, and add the Leafs 2012 2nd ... It looks like better value to me.

And I would still do it

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Get rid of the Avs 2nd, and add the Leafs 2012 2nd ... It looks like better value to me.

And I would still do it
As an Avs fan, now I'm listening.

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