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11-17-2011, 04:33 PM
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Yes, truly. A small light that tells someone if they may have suffered brain damage will erode the very foundation of society.

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Yes, truly. A small light that tells someone if they may have suffered brain damage will erode the very foundation of society.
And i am done here...i am on the way to the game right now and id rather not get into a debate when you are arguing a strawman. If you truly believe that i feel that way then you just need to read a bit more carefully...

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And i am done here...i am on the way to the game right now and id rather not get into a debate when you are arguing a strawman. If you truly believe that i feel that way then you just need to read a bit more carefully...
You said that things like intervention from governing bodies, including mandated saftey measures, are responsible for all problems in society, did you not?

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That is the problem...as i said earlier that is a result, IMO, of the increasing role of government in the lives of people here in the West. This movement toward mandated safety regulations from the governing body is the cause of all of the problems we are having culturally, economically, and morally.
I agree with this 100%.....Republicans and Democrats are BOTH much too socialist and big brother for my liking.

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Ugh....I hate that so many hockey fans are so "progressive". These are men playing the game. If they get hurt, OH WELL. They are MEN. They know the risks that a physical game like ice hockey subjects them to. That is a major reason why they are paid so handsomely.

That is SgtJoseph's point. We don't need a light on helmets that say that you might have a concussion. We need players to start taking responsibility for their own safety, and if they can't do that, they shouldn't be on the ice. If they get lit up (no pun intended) and get a concussion, then maybe they should be paying more attention out there. If it was a cheap shot, then it would be dealt with accordingly...but the well-intentioned regulations (such as the instigator rule) has had the unintended consequence of leaving players unaccountable on the ice for their actions. Guys skate around with their heads down or into the corners with their back turned and guys take runs without any care in the world about getting hit because they expect the

Intervention is never the right choice. You have to let the chips fall where they fall, or else you only create unintended consequences. If you try to "fix" the unintended consequences, you only create more problems. I rue the day, for instance, when visors become mandatory, because it will only remind me of the ongoing destruction of Western culture that is resulting from the continued intervention in peoples' affairs by "authorities" in the name of "safety". When people sacrifice liberty for safety, the end result is always bad. It sounds hyperbolic, but there is no question that the push for more and more "safety" in hockey is tied to the ever increasing role of government in the everyday affairs of Americans (and Canadians).

Sure, you can argue all day that a light on the helmet can't change the way the game is played, but what it can do is further remove the players from a position of responsibility for their own health, which can only harm the game and the players in the long run. Also, it is not the team's responsibility to diagnose injuries if the player isn't himself trying to be diagnosed.

Nobody has the right to play hockey without getting hurt, but you would think one did if you read this board.

edit: To clarify something, I don't care if players decide they want to wear a light on their helmet to diagnose concussions. Give them the choice. Making it mandatory is what causes problems.
You pretty much nailed my thoughts on all of this perfectly.....There are not many of us who think like this left in America.....I am to the point that i honestly believe the one thing folks fear more than anything else.......Is FREEDOM ! Folks are willing to toss it aside for Government programs and for what they think is Security.We will soon be living on nothing more than a world " plantation " ruled by elitist who think they are smarter than us sheeple and who think they know best what's good for us all collectively.....Very sad in my opinion.

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I'm really struggling to see what a tiny diagnostic tool used in a game has to do with all of that.

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I'm really struggling to see what a tiny diagnostic tool used in a game has to do with all of that.
It's socialism!


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I don't think you give neither Larry nor some of our other posters enough credit here. Just a few days ago puckbeaver, or whatever he's calling himself, had a post about how Lappy should stop complaining and get back on the ice. Something like that at least.
I think you're right...

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Why not a sensor that trips and triggers an alert light on some digital scorecard a coach has instead of having traffic lights on the helmets?

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I'm really struggling to see what a tiny diagnostic tool used in a game has to do with all of that.
I....was going to say. I dont understand how having a small light that can help prevent a type of injury that can be life threatening (life>hockey) is the government controlling us.

In other instances, I guess they are both against the progression of medicine. People should just man up when they have diabetes, multiple sclerosis, liver cancer etc etc. Why trust this "governmental society" and their hum bug medical advancements! If they die? Oh well!

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I think you're right...
If it helps, I'm sure some of them are just out there trying to get reactions. We had one here last season who ripped on Timonen every chance he got. I'm fairly certain that he was (at least after a while when he saw the reactions he got) mostly trolling us. Not saying that those of us active in this thread is trolling of course.

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Why not a sensor that trips and triggers an alert light on some digital scorecard a coach has instead of having traffic lights on the helmets?
This is the thing we're talking about here (I think, at least)



Around 2.15 you get a good look at how it's supposed to look, not really a traffic light. Just a little strip on the chin strap that changes colour if a hit is too severe.

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Guys, you know why these so-called "blind side" injuries so extremely often cause concussions compared to "north-south" hits?

The head/neck can only bend so much, and if it's bent with force more than that there's sort of a "black-out angle" where your head stops turning (because otherwise your neck would be broken, you'd die or get paralysed and so on, and that's what happens sometimes in car/bicycle/motorcycle crashes, heavy machinery injuries and so forth). So when you get hit to your head east-west, your neck turns, and the more force in the hit the harder the head gets thrown against that stop, meaning the brain gets thrown against the cranium and itself.

That is why it's almost always it's a hook that knocks out boxers, that's why you want to hit the jaw from the side as a boxer (starting the maximum neck rotation), that's why boxers when hit with a hook try to "meet" the impact instead of following it, because even bending against the hit with your neck muscles and therefore probably adding to the direct impact, it still is less of an impact for the brain than the complete stop at what I called the knock-out angle.

This is sort of an oversimplification but I don't know how to explain it in regular English otherwise.

This is also really hard to prevent, but I've read that helm manufacturers in several fields/sports are working on safer helmets.

I'm a medical student, just writing this for credibility so I won't be disregarded immediately but this is something you can look up yourself.

But what would prevent most ice hockey concussions, is hockey players using the helmet in the correct way, and foremost the chinstrap. If your helmet flies off your head when you get hit, you did something wrong. Most guys have the chin strap hanging some 2 inches below the chin, well of course your helmet's not going to protect you when an impact won't keep it on right. i get really confused when guys with a history of concussions like Eric Lindros skating around like this:


You can see on the picture that he easily could take his helm off without unbuckling the chin strap. So congratulations, you ruined your career possibly because you couldn't take the uncomfort and uncoolness of having your chinstrap against your chin or at most 1 cm (1/3 of an inch) under it. I mean, it can't be less comfortable to have the chin strap 0,5 centimetres under your chin than 5 centimetres like he has on the picture, because either way it doesn't touch you.

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I'm starting to believe that there are a lot of people in this thread that could have benefitted from a little light on their helmet.

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