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11-15-2011, 11:00 PM
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personally I would have been happy had he covered 1....or made one of the 2 passes a little more difficult

I guess your view on this is he played it just right? It certaily wasnt an easy play but for a defensive specialist he didnt do a good job at any point on it....he really didnt
He dd the right thing. He took the first guy with the most direct line to the goalie., who incidentally had no part in the goal after his pass. Had he gone aggressively after the first guy he would have been even farther out of the play than he already was.

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11-15-2011, 11:01 PM
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I see because any decent defender would have covered 2 guys at the same time.
Because no one has ever had to play a 2-1.... Where's code name "Charlie" to show he video of what not to do.

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11-15-2011, 11:05 PM
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Because no one has ever had to play a 2-1.... Where's code name "Charlie" to show he video of what not to do.
That was not a typical 2 on 1. This wasn't a situation where he was even in position to cut off the passing angle. If it was a typical 2-1 and he took the shooter you would have a point.

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11-15-2011, 11:08 PM
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There are times i feel like you guys come close to being as bad as the Facebook Fans... jesus christ.
Calm Down.
It was a good game for both teams, and ultimately a few mistakes by our defense cost us the game.
Oh well. On to the next one.

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11-15-2011, 11:11 PM
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Why was Poile fired? Think, we could have been Poile-Trotz right now.
We had a cheap owner then and he wouldn't let Poile make moves. Trotz was a great AHL coach before getting the Nashville job and Poile took him with him. We missed out on keeping Stevens, trading for Selanne during Poile's days thanks to Abe. Anyway, he is a good GM, just hasn't won the big prize yet. Trotz gets effort from his players and players can expect to play hard for him.

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11-15-2011, 11:15 PM
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That was not a typical 2 on 1. This wasn't a situation where he was even in position to cut off the passing angle. If it was a typical 2-1 and he took the shooter you would have a point.
It's still a 2-1. I saw it a mile away and so should he.

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11-15-2011, 11:17 PM
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He dd the right thing. He took the first guy with the most direct line to the goalie., who incidentally had no part in the goal after his pass. Had he gone aggressively after the first guy he would have been even farther out of the play than he already was.
this isnt opinion....youre wrong

he was in bad position to start as you can see some hesitation....he is left side D playing the middle of the ice which Weber sees and attacks

Puck carrier had a backchecker (8?) and at worst was going to be able to get a good shot off on a goalie who was in position. Odd man rush 101 is goalie takes shooter...thats basic hockey

55's hesitation and positioning gives pincing D entire side of ice and 55 doesnt make any play at all on the original pass. Tough play that happened fast...but this is a D first guy who is supposed to excel at this exact thing...positioning and stickwork

He cant pivot quickly enough and pinchng D is behind him enough where any real play to interfere at all with crossing pass is going to be difficult....he doesnt make any play other than to swing his stick helplessly at Weber

there is a lot of other things wrong on his play....but he doesnt help, at all. To say he played it right is just incorrect...he played it pretty poorly actually. It would have taken a good play to break it up and a decent play to just kind of get in the way....it was very pedestrian

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11-15-2011, 11:23 PM
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Some of the OVrreactions i read here are down right embarrassing.
How is it an overreaction when your captain and highest paid player in the game has been **** virtually all year.

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11-15-2011, 11:26 PM
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That was not a typical 2 on 1. This wasn't a situation where he was even in position to cut off the passing angle. If it was a typical 2-1 and he took the shooter you would have a point.
this is the NHL, thats a 2 on 1. Its the exact thing Gretzky speaks about...creating 2 on 1 situations. Sure....its not a 2 on 1 from center ice....but its creating numbers. Whether thats on a a quick transition, coming out of the corner or behind the net....players look to create these situautions

you said it...he wasnt in position to cut anything off, he needs to be...or should be. Especially if sound D, positioning, and stickwork are supposed to be your thing. Im not saying he blew it or even its a bad play. Like I first mentioned, I'd like to see him play that better....I certainly dont think he played it just right, like you do.

Often, its the little things that happen right before that create situations....and while much of that isnt 55's fault he vacated his side, couldnt prevent a pass to that side, and in turn couldnt make a play on the pinching player or the pass by that player

not the best effort by someone depended on to make those kind of plays


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11-15-2011, 11:40 PM
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One thing i noticed. That F'd up defense alignment is the plan ok ok zone faceoffs. And having both d commit to one side is the plan. They did it again tonight but got puck.

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11-15-2011, 11:50 PM
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What a garbage game. I get that Rinne is good and Nash's D is good, but there's zero creativity on all lines of this team.

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11-15-2011, 11:52 PM
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If the day ever comes and Boudreau is fired, I'd love to hear what he has to say about some of the players and vice versa.
He can blame him self for any problems. He's the damn coach.

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11-16-2011, 12:09 AM
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we should have traded ovechkin and kept flash

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11-16-2011, 12:10 AM
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Just wanted to say what an entertaining game. I know you all aren't happy right now so I'll be short. In the end, this could've went either way. I loved and still love Vokoun. Good luck the rest of the way. Maybe, just maybe, we'll be in the same division next year.

edit: oh and Troy Brouwer was amazing for you all. He was all over the place and always seemed involved.


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11-16-2011, 12:43 AM
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This was an awesome regular season game despite the lost. IMHO it was a really entertaining game. Knew it would come down to some breaks and Nashville got them..GG Thought the Caps played very despite the loss. I'm rooting for Nashville to be with the Caps if there is a serious realignment. At least in response to the Tampa 1-3-1 :-). Didn't read through the thread but man seriously a good game for both teams. Rinne was definitely the player of the game IMO. Caps had the better of the better primary scoring chances and he played awesome. GG and I'm bittersweet that my considering Rinne is on my fantasy team it isn't all bad .

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11-16-2011, 07:08 AM
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The Caps lost on the road to a good team that played at the top of its game. I am not seriously bothered by that. Howeve, I thought this before last night's game. If Ovechkin doesnt break out and remains in this 30 goal pace and Semin remains caught up in his play away from the puck and cant regain his scoring touch, as soon as the secondary scoring hits the dry spell even the best secondary scoring runs through, this team is in for rough patch like the race course through the Baja.

Its going to be ugly. In those times a team needs its best players to step up and right now their best players are Backstrom, Johansson, Wideman and Vokoun. Ovechkin, Semin and Green aren't helping a lot.

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11-16-2011, 07:18 AM
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How is it an overreaction when your captain and highest paid player in the game has been **** virtually all year.
If you are 16 and under i understand, if you are older than that, than i would say get a hold of your self and stop acting like a little... I understand it was whole 15 games, but do you know why this team is in conversation each and every year? i know its the internet and "what have you done for me lately" thing is crazier than in the real world, but this is just ****ing stupid...

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11-16-2011, 07:28 AM
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55 minutes of effort is a significant improvement for this club.

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11-16-2011, 07:47 AM
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After a night to think it over, still sucks. For 11/12 of the game, they were playing as well as I've seen them play in a long time. Even so, the complete breakdown after that point was truly disheartening. It was reminiscent of a Capitals playoff game.

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11-16-2011, 07:50 AM
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i dont know how many times ive seen a game go like that. scoreless both ways til one team breaks thru and then the other team scores immediately afterward. its natural human nature to lift off the gas a little bit. a team comes back from a 3-0 deficit with furious pressure. when they score the tying goal, very often the very next shift shows them hanging on for dear life.

it sucks that they lost, but that stuff happens to good teams all the time. there is nothing unique about this. I worry far more about the dynamic players in the caps lineup being marcus johansson and joel ward and jason chimera rather than them being support for the players that should be the dynamic players.

i'd really like to see some god mode soon. 5 games of good semin god mode would go a long way toward easing the pressure even with 8 seemingly lost in the fog.

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After a night to think it over, still sucks. For 11/12 of the game, they were playing as well as I've seen them play in a long time. Even so, the complete breakdown after that point was truly disheartening. It was reminiscent of a Capitals playoff game.
I see your point, but I can not remember last night's scenario playing out in any of the caps previous playoff heartbreaks. Typically they never get the Brouwer goal and the opposing winner deflects off a Caps skate or a broken stick or Brian Propp's helmet.

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I think it's closer than you let on. One, Erskine loses his stick in a freak incident in the corner, and the Predators capitalize at the worst time. Then there was the total defensive brain freeze after the Caps scored, enabling the Predators to come down the ice with all kinds of time and the kind of odd-man rush they'd never have allowed earlier in the game. Shea Weber (granted, a great player) makes a cross-ice pass under minimal pressure to Erat right in front of the net. The goalie can do nothing.

It rings a few bells to me. Sucks.

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11-16-2011, 08:26 AM
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i dont know how many times ive seen a game go like that. scoreless both ways til one team breaks thru and then the other team scores immediately afterward. its natural human nature to lift off the gas a little bit. a team comes back from a 3-0 deficit with furious pressure. when they score the tying goal, very often the very next shift shows them hanging on for dear life.

it sucks that they lost, but that stuff happens to good teams all the time. there is nothing unique about this. I worry far more about the dynamic players in the caps lineup being marcus johansson and joel ward and jason chimera rather than them being support for the players that should be the dynamic players.

i'd really like to see some god mode soon. 5 games of good semin god mode would go a long way toward easing the pressure even with 8 seemingly lost in the fog.
like ive mentioned before....in the end its the coach that needs to get production out of his players.

you know me, I worry very little about wins/losses in November...not calling for the coaches job......just making a point

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yea...forgot about erskine losing his stick. but thats just bad coaching. if boudreau can't get across to these players to hold on to their sticks, how can you expect him to coach them to a cup?

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yea...forgot about erskine losing his stick. but thats just bad coaching. if boudreau can't get across to these players to hold on to their sticks, how can you expect him to coach them to a cup?
while I understand this is sarcastic....its this kind of comment that makes it sound like you feel that coaching could not possibly be an issue.

I know, you were OK with a firing after last season....just saying this is in the same vein as the "he's stupid" group....

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