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11-01-2011, 11:13 PM
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News From Around the League Part XX: One more X and we're all banned

Raffi Torres isn't being called a racist by anyone in hockey circles, just that he shouldn't have colored his skin because of the stigma attached to blackface, that's all.

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The first Native in the NHL was Fred Sasakamoose, whom played for the Chicago Blackhawks. Although his career in the NHL was short, his contributions were insurmountable.

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Raffi Torres isn't being called a racist by anyone in hockey circles, just that he shouldn't have colored his skin because of the stigma attached to blackface, that's all.
So he should dress as Jay-Z with a white face. That's some fail.

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The first Native in the NHL was Fred Sasakamoose, whom played for the Chicago Blackhawks. Although his career in the NHL was short, his contributions were insurmountable.
There's still those Native Americans who feel any logo with the portrayal of an indian is spitting in the face of native americans because of how they were violently overtaken when the English came along.

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Sup with Calgary? They havent had the best start ever and now they are getting pounded by the Canucks.

Oh, wait, they have the exact same record as we do.
The Canucks are cursed in October. Flames were just unlucky to be scheduled on game 1 of their turnaround.

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So he should dress as Jay-Z with a white face. That's some fail.
It's ****ing Halloween for crying out loud and yeah, was Raffi supposed to dress as Jay-Z with a white face? The guy would've had to explain his ****ing costume to every single person he'd meet

It's not as if he did it on december 3rd when grocery shoping, it's october 31st people, relax.

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There's still those Native Americans who feel any logo with the portrayal of an indian is spitting in the face of native americans because of how they were violently overtaken when the English came along.
it was more than just the english though. another thing on this topic..every helicopter (to my knowledge) in use by the u.s. army has been designated the name of a certain native american tribe (i.e. kiowa, apache, blackhawk, chinook, etc.) so i'm not sure of the gripe especially when these very machines are being used to kill people, while the sports teams representing the tribes are just playing a game. (see und fighting sioux).

anyway, i don't have a problem with the costume torres decided to use. blackface is not the same, and there are major differences. let's not mistake this for what it was. he was not any african-american, he was a specific one. and except for the skin part, he was not attempting anything more (as most blackface acts were).

i remember a specific case when my friend who goes to school in ct dressed up as tiger woods and dyed his skin black. my other friend (an african-american), had no problem with it. i don't see how anyone else has a beef with it. mind you it is only the hf viewers as far as i have read so far.


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To end the racism talk in all directions



Dwayne Wade painted his face white to be Justin Timberlake. There was no outrage over this so since Torres was (as been pointed out) a specific person, end the conversation.

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To end the racism talk in all directions



Dwayne Wade painted his face white to be Justin Timberlake. There was no outrage over this so since Torres was (as been pointed out) a specific person, end the conversation.
Stupid double standards.

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Kessel, Lehtonen and Khabibulin named NHL players of the month for October.

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To end the racism talk in all directions



Dwayne Wade painted his face white to be Justin Timberlake. There was no outrage over this so since Torres was (as been pointed out) a specific person, end the conversation.
It doesn't end it at all. Good thing you stuck to science, because history is clearly not your thing. whiteface was never used en masse to degrade white people. It's not the same thing at all.

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Neither has dressing up as Jay-Z. Note how I didn't say "blackface" because the two should not be confused.

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putting on dark paint to impersonate a person of color is not going blackface.

THIS IS



It is easy for a person without an agenda to see the difference. It is easier for a person with inside knowledge of who Torres is and the fact he is a fan of JayZ too.

Looking to be offended is so 2000, we've moved onto the decade of entitlement.

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It doesn't end it at all. Good thing you stuck to science, because history is clearly not your thing. whiteface was never used en masse to degrade white people. It's not the same thing at all.
It's a freaking costume for halloween. Like I said, it's not like he did it on the 3rd of december, where it would be freaking awkward. Would people say the same thing if he bought a Jay-Z mask instead of painting his face?

I really don't know how people can be offended by it to be honest. It's not as if he dressed as a slave or degraded the black community. He was dressed as his favorite hip-hop artist and his gf was dressed as Beyonce.

I just don't get the hate

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This is getting really annoying now...seriously shut up already.

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It's a freaking costume for halloween. I really don't know how people can be offended by it to be honest. It's not as if he dressed as a slave or degraded the black community. He was dressed as his favorite hip-hop artist and his gf was dressed as Beyonce.

I just don't get the hate
It's because people don't get why it COULD be interpreted as such that is the problem. Everyone saying I don't get the big deal, probably don't know why it could be a big deal. RG is NOT one of those people, he knows what blackface is/was. If everyone was like him, then it wouldn't be a problem for anyone, but they aren't, so it is.

I don't think Raffi is racist at all.

But that's it.

What's Taylor Hall eating for dinner and why isn't it on twitter?

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just because it was once considered degrading to black people to be in black face doesnt mean what Torres did was disrespectful. this isnt 1900.

I'm sure there are tons of things done nowadays that could have been taken as disrespectful towards some group of people many years ago, too.

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If Torres showed up in that costume where I was Sunday night, he still wouldn't have been the most controversial.

Some idiot server dressed up like a terrorist. Head wrap, black outfit, even a toy AK-47 slung over his shoulder.

Yeah - that's a great outfit to wear in a town that has one of the largest Air Force bases in it. I'm sure nobody's son/brother might have been killed fighting in Iraq of Afghanistan.

He even scared a little girl when he came to their table and she started crying and later kept saying "go away" every time he came near.

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Enough already...not for nothing, but the white folks aren't the ones that keep going on about it.

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Only people who are offended by it are those who want the conflict to be sustained or oversensitive gits who ran out of things to moan about.

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It's because people don't get why it COULD be interpreted as such that is the problem. Everyone saying I don't get the big deal, probably don't know why it could be a big deal. RG is NOT one of those people, he knows what blackface is/was. If everyone was like him, then it wouldn't be a problem for anyone, but they aren't, so it is.

I don't think Raffi is racist at all.

But that's it.

What's Taylor Hall eating for dinner and why isn't it on twitter?
It might not be the best decision but it was for Halloween. If there was a Jay-Z mask that was available to him, he would've bought one IMO... but there isn't.

I get what you are saying but for it to get so much attention, on a day where people dress any wich way they want, is pretty ridiculous IMO.

Like CJ said... moving on.

Edit: Hey CJ, did you get any news from JVB for your Winnipeg trip?

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RG is NOT one of those people, he knows what blackface is/was. If everyone was like him, then it wouldn't be a problem for anyone, but they aren't, so it is.
If everyone was like me - the world would be awesome.

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Edit: Hey CJ, did you get any news from JVB for your Winnipeg trip?
No, I haven't heard anything. Honestly, I'm not really expecting anything so if it happens it'll be a shock.

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