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11-16-2011, 12:21 PM
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The Official FIRE KIRK MCLEAN Thread

I think this thread is well overdue.

As I said in both forums (Avs and HFBoards), since we hired him, all our goalies have performed worst and then started to do much better once traded/let go. Coincidence? I don't think so.

The rest of the coaching staff should also be replaced but I think not enough people are seeing probably the real problem with our goalies. We need to replace McLean with a full time goalie coach.

What do you guys think?

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11-16-2011, 12:25 PM
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I never understood the hiring in the first place. What is a stand up goaltender going to teach predominantly butterfly goaltenders?

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11-16-2011, 12:25 PM
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I thought he got hired elsewhere?

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11-16-2011, 12:26 PM
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Or hire him. I have no idea if he is a good or bad goaltending coach.

But when you trade for a 23 year old guy to be your number one goalie, you have to have a better support system than someone who flies in from Vancouver once in a while. It's so stupid. I have no idea why Denver media doesn't look into this.

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They definitely need a full-time goalie coach, as someone mentioned it's silly to be an NHL team and not to have one, especially after what we paid for Varlamov.

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11-16-2011, 12:32 PM
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Fire everybody who isn't named Sakic, and no Sacco is not close enough to Sakic.


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11-16-2011, 01:42 PM
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Yes I would fire him, I don't get why they would hire a bad goalie to be a goalie coach...

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11-16-2011, 02:10 PM
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Yes I would fire him, I don't get why they would hire a bad goalie to be a goalie coach...
I agree. I mean thats why we need to have only good players be coaches, like Wayne Gr... Oh wait a minute

playing and coaching are two different things my friend.

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11-16-2011, 02:30 PM
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Or hire him. I have no idea if he is a good or bad goaltending coach.

But when you trade for a 23 year old guy to be your number one goalie, you have to have a better support system than someone who flies in from Vancouver once in a while. It's so stupid. I have no idea why Denver media doesn't look into this.
True. How can we tell at this point?

I get the idea behind a consultant--someone who can keep an eye on ALL of our goaltenders. It made a lot more sense with a vet like Andy here, but now I'm inclined to agree that we could use a full-time guy.

Again, I thought Varly had his own personal netminding coach. Why not put him on the payroll?

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11-16-2011, 02:31 PM
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It's not necessarily about firing him...it's about bringing in someone FULL TIME.

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Ayup, playing and coaching are two different things.

But as someone else said, standup style and butterfly style are also two different things.

A part-time work-from-home goalie coach and a full-time hands-on goalie coach are two different things, as well.

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11-16-2011, 02:32 PM
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Or hire him. I have no idea if he is a good or bad goaltending coach.

But when you trade for a 23 year old guy to be your number one goalie, you have to have a better support system than someone who flies in from Vancouver once in a while. It's so stupid. I have no idea why Denver media doesn't look into this.
Justin from the Goalie Guild is essentially Denver media and he complains about it fairly often.

That dude has a big following too, with guys like LeBrun following him on Twitter.

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11-16-2011, 03:32 PM
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He isn't given enough responsibility to be blamed for anything. Same with their other part timers before him.

For a team that hasn't had a consistent number one goaltender in what will be 10 years next season, and hasn't been able to develop any legitimate starters, you would think the Avalanche wouldn't DRASTICALLY undervalue the importance of a full time goalie coach. Spend a few bucks on your biggest weakness for christs sake.

The cost of a position like this is wayyyy less than the cost of an NHL players salary. They have an owner with possibly the deepest pockets in the league. They have the lowest payroll in the league, and it doesn't even affect the cap. Absolutely no excuses.

Even when they gave a ransom for a young number one guy that hasn't quite proven himself consistently, they couldn't help but hire a guy to talk to him once or twice a month or so. At this point you can't describe their decision in this area as anything but incompetent and cheap.


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What has been given as the official reason of why Avs doesn't have a full time goalie coach (no matter what his name is)?

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11-16-2011, 06:02 PM
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While I don't think he does anything worthwhile for the team, I can't actually believe we have this thread going. Seriously??? What is a goalie coach going to do...plead with Varly to make a timely save? Look, any NHL goalie at this level knows what he needs to do. Having a specific coach for him alone is a crutch. The lack of a specific coach is just a way for disgruntled fans to think that if only the ownership gave a damn we'd be a contender. Fact is, Patrick Roy could scream stop the ****ing puck until his ears turned blue...If Varly doesn't stop the puck it's on Varly...not on Roy. Hire a ****ing shrink if you think the goalie is that off-kilter...but quit looking for goalie-whisperer.

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11-16-2011, 06:14 PM
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While I don't think he does anything worthwhile for the team, I can't actually believe we have this thread going. Seriously??? What is a goalie coach going to do...plead with Varly to make a timely save? Look, any NHL goalie at this level knows what he needs to do. Having a specific coach for him alone is a crutch. The lack of a specific coach is just a way for disgruntled fans to think that if only the ownership gave a damn we'd be a contender. Fact is, Patrick Roy could scream stop the ****ing puck until his ears turned blue...If Varly doesn't stop the puck it's on Varly...not on Roy. Hire a ****ing shrink if you think the goalie is that off-kilter...but quit looking for goalie-whisperer.
A goalie coach could, and this is just a wild stab in the dark, make a goaltender better by working on goaltending.

But perhaps you are on to something. Keep Sacco and hire a shrink? Because any skater at the NHL level knows what he needs to do.

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How did this option with KHL's SKA came up?

Why this team necessarily? I was considering offers from Lokomotiv, from SKA, there were also other options in the KHL. SKA's biggest plus was that Jussi Parkkila is the goaltending coach there. I really wanted to work with this specialist, who has been working with me for the last four years and really helped me in the development of my career. I think the day Parkkila come over to North America and work in the NHL is not far away.

Maybe you can bring him over to Denver?

It would be my pleasure to do that. It's not the easiest thing to do. But agents and I will try to make it happen.

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11-16-2011, 06:16 PM
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Bring back Thibault.

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11-16-2011, 06:44 PM
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I never understood the hiring in the first place. What is a stand up goaltender going to teach predominantly butterfly goaltenders?
It's really easy to understand the hiring. McLean probably came real cheap, just the way the organization likes it. It's not about quality, it's about price tag being cheap. Same thing with Sacco, they won't fire him because a good coach will cost more money

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I agree. I mean thats why we need to have only good players be coaches, like Wayne Gr... Oh wait a minute

playing and coaching are two different things my friend.
Since he took over last year our goal tending has sucked.

Bad goalie = bad coach.

Sacco = bad player = bad coach.

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11-16-2011, 07:33 PM
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Bring back Thibault.
Thibault is going to have his hands full with the expansion Sherbrook Faucons starting next year in the Q as owner. (perhaps co-owner not sure on all the details)

He's unavailable.

I've never liked the idea of bringing in a guy like McLean who's got such strong ties to a rival organization. It's as if Joe Sakic went over to coach the Red Wings...bad fit in my opinion.

They should really give some thought to bringing in Varly's guy...I doubt he'd be too expensive.

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I would love to see a "clean the house" kind of thing.

Especially with LaCroix. He hasn't made a good decision since before the Drury for Morris trade.

Cronyism disgusts me.

Get rid of E V E R Y B O D Y.

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While I don't think he does anything worthwhile for the team, I can't actually believe we have this thread going. Seriously??? What is a goalie coach going to do...plead with Varly to make a timely save? Look, any NHL goalie at this level knows what he needs to do. Having a specific coach for him alone is a crutch. The lack of a specific coach is just a way for disgruntled fans to think that if only the ownership gave a damn we'd be a contender. Fact is, Patrick Roy could scream stop the ****ing puck until his ears turned blue...If Varly doesn't stop the puck it's on Varly...not on Roy. Hire a ****ing shrink if you think the goalie is that off-kilter...but quit looking for goalie-whisperer.
Considering how being a goalie is equal parts phsychology, emotion/confidence, and mechanics. And also considering the teams regular coaches pretty much don't talk to the goalies or know anything about being one. I'd say a goalie coach is very important. Especially given how important their position is, and how inconsistent their performance can be if their emotional state or mechanics start to slip. They probably have just as much impact, if not more so on the goalie's performance, as the team head coach has on the teams performance.

This organization hasn't had a true number one in about ten years. They should be exhausting all options to make sure their number one is a true number one, and do what they can to help him maintain that level of play. If that's not enough reason, they should be saying "why not have a full time goalie coach." We need to fix this and having a part time guy obviously hasn't done anything for any goaltender anywhere in the organization. It doesn't affect the cap and is chump change compared to an NHL player's salary. With the millions they are saving letting go of guys and having the lowest payroll, they can spend an extra $50k or so on a guy to spend all his time helping our goalies in every way possible.

What they should be doing is trying to find every way possible to get Varlamov's mentor and Finnish goalie coach Jussi Parkkila away from SKA in the KHL. He almost signed with SKA for the sole reason that he was their goalie coach.

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Since he took over last year our goal tending has sucked.

Bad goalie = bad coach.

Sacco = bad player = bad coach.
Sorry, but that's a poor statement.

Gretzky = best player ever = bad coach

Sacco is just too dumb to be a head coach in the NHL. He might do well in high school hockey though.

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Sorry, but that's a poor statement.

Gretzky = best player ever = bad coach

Sacco is just too dumb to be a head coach in the NHL. He might do well in high school hockey though.
If they have a good goalie.

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What about Patrick Roy?

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