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11-16-2011, 12:46 PM
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ISS top-30 for 2012, November edition

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1. MIKHAIL GRIGORENKO RW 6'3 200 L May 16/94 Quebec QMJHL
2. NAIL YAKUPOV LW 5'10 189 L Oct. 6/93 Sarnia OHL
3. FILIP FORSBERG RW 6'1 176 R Aug. 13/94 Leksands SweAI
4. RYAN MURRAY D 6'0 201 L Sep. 27/93 Everett WHL
5. MATT DUMBA D 5'11 183 R Jul. 25/94 Red Deer WHL
6. JACOB TROUBA D 6'2 196 R Feb. 26/94 USA U-18 USNTDP
7. SLATER KOEKKOEK D 6'2 184 L Feb. 18/94 Peterborough OHL
8. PONTUS ABERG LW 5'11 187 R Sep. 23/93 Djurgarden SweE
9. BRENDAN GAUNCE C 6'2 215 L Mar. 25/94 Belleville OHL
10. MORGAN RIELLY D 5'11 190 L Mar. 9/94 Moose Jaw WHL
11. CODY CECI D 6'2 207 R Dec. 21/93 Ottawa OHL
12. GRIFFIN REINHART D 6'3 207 L Jan. 24/94 Edmonton WHL
13. OLLI MAATTA D 6'1 202 L Aug. 22/94 London OHL
14. JARROD MAIDENS C 6'0 178 L Mar. 4/94 Owen Sound OHL
15. MARTIN FRK RW 5'11 204 L Oct. 5/93 Halifax QMJHL
16. SEBASTIAN COLLBERG RW 5'11 174 R Feb. 23/94 Vastra SweJE
17. ALEXANDER GALCHENYUK RW 6'0 198 L Feb. 12/94 Sarnia OHL
18. DERRICK POULIOT D 5'11 186 L Jan. 16/94 Portland WHL
19. NICHOLAS KERDILES C 6'1 200 L Jan. 11/94 USA U-18 USNTDP
20. ZEMGUS GIRGENSONS C 6'1 201 L Jan. 5/94 Dubuque USHL
21. MIKE MATHESON D 6'1 180 L Feb. 27/94 Dubuque USHL
22. NICK EBERT D 5'11 205 R May 11/94 Windsor OHL
23. ANDREAS ATHANASIOU C 6'0 179 L Aug. 6/94 London OHL
24. COLTON SISSONS C/R 6'1 189 R Nov. 5/93 Kelowna WHL
25. ANTON SLEPYSHEV LW 6'2 187 R May 13/94 Novokuznetsk KHL
26. THOMAS WILSON RW 6'3 203 R Mar. 29/94 Plymouth OHL
27. GIANLUCA CURCURUTO D 6'0 195 L Feb. 25/94 Sault Ste. Marie OHL
28. BRADY SKJEI D 6'3 203 L Mar. 26/94 USA U-18 USNTDP
29. MATT FINN D 6'0 195 L Feb. 24/94 Guelph OHL
30. DALTON THROWER D 5'11 189 R Dec. 20/93 Saskatoon WHL

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Why Grigorenko is in 1st position ?

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Why Grigorenko is in 1st position ?
Opinions seem to vary on Grigorenko. Here's some reasoning from ISS Director of Scouting Dennis MacInnis.

"(Grigorenko's) ability to amplify the skill sets of those around him is what sets him apart from the rest of the pack," explains ISS Director of Scouting Dennis MacInnis. "And while the incredible offensive talents of Yakupov are nothing to take lightly, Grigorenko has shown better as of late and this isn't the first time." ... "There is a vast difference in the way the two play the game," added MacInnis. "Yakupov reminds ISS more of a Pavel Bure/Taylor Hall type player, while Grigorenko seems to be a Joe Thornton clone. Yakupov has done nothing to warrant falling out of the top spot, but after many viewings and much debate the time has come for Grigorenko to reap the rewards of his continual and dominant development."

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Grigorenko is elite, yes. But Yakupov still takes it for me.

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11-16-2011, 01:02 PM
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These rankings are excellent! Grigo is a smart choice for #1

Ceci and Koo-koo getting nice recognition

ISS agree with me. Galchenyuk overrated. 17 nice steal though

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11-16-2011, 01:07 PM
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Opinions seem to vary on Grigorenko. Here's some reasoning from ISS Director of Scouting Dennis MacInnis.

"(Grigorenko's) ability to amplify the skill sets of those around him is what sets him apart from the rest of the pack," explains ISS Director of Scouting Dennis MacInnis. "And while the incredible offensive talents of Yakupov are nothing to take lightly, Grigorenko has shown better as of late and this isn't the first time." ... "There is a vast difference in the way the two play the game," added MacInnis. "Yakupov reminds ISS more of a Pavel Bure/Taylor Hall type player, while Grigorenko seems to be a Joe Thornton clone. Yakupov has done nothing to warrant falling out of the top spot, but after many viewings and much debate the time has come for Grigorenko to reap the rewards of his continual and dominant development."
That is a great explanation, and I agree with it to a "T".

It makes a lot of sense.

Koekkoek seems a bit high for me, Ceci looks better from what I've seen.

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Galchenyuk dropping due to injury. Awesome. Better chance that Ottawa ends up stealing him.

It's very interesting how perception has changed so quickly. Nail was the most hyped #1 since Tavares, and he isn't even the best player in the draft.

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Galchenyuk dropping due to injury. Awesome. Better chance that Ottawa ends up stealing him.

It's very interesting how perception has changed so quickly. Nail was the most hyped #1 since Tavares, and he isn't even the best player in the draft.
just because ISS rank Grigo #1 doesn't mean Nail not best player

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Grigorenko is most definitely making it interesting.

He impressed me more than Yakupov during his game in the SSS.

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just because ISS rank Grigo #1 doesn't mean Nail not best player
I think the description sort of says to me at least that, Yakupov might be the best talent, but Grigorenko is the "best player"...making his teammates better etc.

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just because ISS rank Grigo #1 doesn't mean Nail not best player
IMO Grigorenko is the best player in this draft with the most potential. It reminds me a lot of Kovalchuk/Spezza, Hall/Seguin and Ovechkin/Malkin (though this is really close.) I think that in these cases the centre is going to be the best player each time. I think Nail will be a great player, but Grigorenko is the best player for this draft.

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IMO Grigorenko is the best player in this draft with the most potential. It reminds me a lot of Kovalchuk/Spezza, Hall/Seguin and Ovechkin/Malkin (though this is really close.) I think that in these cases the centre is going to be the best player each time. I think Nail will be a great player, but Grigorenko is the best player for this draft.
why say Kovalchuk/Spazza when Kovalchuk has always been better player between 2

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i like it especially the choice of number 1, i dont like where keokkeok is, good player but dont like him that high, i believe cici to be better, right now i see keokkeok around 15 to 20

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IMO Grigorenko is the best player in this draft with the most potential. It reminds me a lot of Kovalchuk/Spezza, Hall/Seguin and Ovechkin/Malkin (though this is really close.) I think that in these cases the centre is going to be the best player each time. I think Nail will be a great player, but Grigorenko is the best player for this draft.
Even though the wingers have had the better careers so far in all three examples you gave?

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ISS had Jordan Schmaltz #8 in late September...and now they don't project him in the first round. Yikes.

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why say Kovalchuk/Spazza when Kovalchuk has always been better player between 2
Spezza is better than Kovalchuk.

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Spezza is better than Kovalchuk.
I have to agree.

Spezza has led his team to the finals...Kovalchuck has never won a playoff series.

Spezz makes players around him better...I dont think Kovy is the same.

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Even though the wingers have had the better careers so far in all three examples you gave?
Malkin has won the Art Ross, the Hart, the Conn Smythe and a Stanley Cup. When he's not injured he's a better player than Ovechkin IMO. Unfortunately Malkin has struggled a lot with injury.

Spezza has had a better career statistically (so far, again, injury struggles), though Kovalchuk has won a rocket, Spezza is more responsible defensively and makes his entire team better when he's on the ice and was joint leader in playoff scoring the year they made the finals (ppg in the playoffs.)

Hall/Seguin is too early to compare, but again Seguin played a small, but important role in the Stanley Cup victory for the Bruins and currently looks much better than Hall.

Individually in terms of pure talent it might be a wash, but the centre always seems to have a better impact on their team.

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Thrower at 30! Love it.

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Even though the wingers have had the better careers so far in all three examples you gave?
Hall has a better career than Stanley Cup champion Tyler Seguin...the kid who is 5thish in NHL scoring a +14 or so...

Malkin...the Conn Smythe and Stanley cup winner as well as Art Ross is that much worse than Ovy...

Spezza and Kovalchuck is debatable....but he makes players around him better...kovy does not.

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Thrower at 30! Love it.
Yeah man, this WHL defensman draft class could go down as the best of all time.

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Why Grigorenko is in 1st position ?
Because of his ability to control the play at his own speed and rhythm. Yakupov is explosive and highly offensive, but does not have the same frame as Grigorenko and doesn't possess that ability to slow down the game at his own ease.

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The WHL guys are ranked almost exactly the same as I have them. The only thing I have different is both Thrower and Sissons in the 2nd round, not the 1st.

Besides that, the order is exact to mine.

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Sorry he was runner up for the Hart, twice, but I forgot he also won the Calder.

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If Columbus ends up with the first overall pick then it would be interesting if they can pull a rabbit out of their hat and get the 2nd overall pick as well.

Galchenyuk and Yakupov would make one hell of a duo. It would probably take Nash to get it though.

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