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11-11-2011, 09:33 AM
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What's up with PK Subban?

Leafs fan coming in peace...

What's up with Subban? I have him in my pool and he's done squat all year to the point where I'm considering dropping him if he doesn't turn it around soon. He really started to emerge last year and so I was expecting big things...but so far he hasn't been good for much besides PIMs.

Is it a product of Montreal's poor PP? Is he just snakebit? I don't mind it if he's just not getting the bounces...and I'm always hesitant to drop a young player who has the potential to bust out at any moment...but I have no exposure to Habs games so I'm hoping you all can enlighten me.

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11-11-2011, 09:37 AM
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Drop him, hes sophomore slumping

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Last year in the first half of the season we seen the same thing. In the last half of the season, he was the highest scoring dman in the league

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11-11-2011, 09:38 AM
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Of course the PP has something to do with it. But he always turn it on after christmas and end up with 30pts in 40ish games. Well, that's what he did last year.

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+3 last night, he's turning it around, but I agree you should drop him.

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Last year in the first half of the season we seen the same thing. In the last half of the season, he was the highest scoring dman in the league
Interesting...this is why I ask these things

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11-11-2011, 09:41 AM
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Drop him for now.

Add him back when Markov returns.

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Pleky on the point isn't helping him. Martin lost a lot of confidence in him.

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He's not seeing first PP time so that will hurt his numbers. On top of that our PP sucks, and these guys are having trouble burying second chances, so his point shots usually lead to nothing right now.

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11-11-2011, 09:47 AM
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Pleky on the point isn't helping him. Martin lost a lot of confidence in him.
If Martin lost confidence in Subban he wouldn't be using him on the penalty kill or matched up against the opposition's 1st line.

With the forward group so depleted and the 2nd/3rd defense pairing fairly shaky Martin has been playing Subban a lot at even-strength and on the penalty kill. To do so means limiting his time on the powerplay so he doesn't get overused.

Last night Subban played 25:34, 23:52 of which was at either even-strength or shorthanded. I don't think coaches play defensemen for 25 minutes if they don't have confidence in them.

Edit: Of course, Subban leads Habs' defensemen in PP TOI/game though as Protest the Hero said that's mostly with the second unit. Doesn't help that the Habs are sorely lacking playmakers on the PP with Plekanec playing out of position, Diaz unimpressive, and Desharnais not being good at setting up point men. Gomez and especially Markov returning will help the PP as a whole and with that Subban's point totals.

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Martin hasn't lost confidence in Subban, that's ridiculous. He is not producing offensively but he has made leaps and bounds this season defensively. Obviously that's not going to help you in your pool but that doesn't really matter to me.

The numbers will come when the PP gets going but I think he's played good this year.

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He's meta-trolling fans of other teams who begrudgingly took him on their fantasy teams.

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If Martin lost confidence in Subban he wouldn't be using him on the penalty kill or matched up against the opposition's 1st line.

With the forward group so depleted and the 2nd/3rd defense pairing fairly shaky Martin has been playing Subban a lot at even-strength and on the penalty kill. To do so means limiting his time on the powerplay so he doesn't get overused.

Last night Subban played 25:34, 23:52 of which was at either even-strength or shorthanded. I don't think coaches play defensemen for 25 minutes if they don't have confidence in them.

Edit: Of course, Subban leads Habs' defensemen in PP TOI/game though as Protest the Hero said that's mostly with the second unit. Doesn't help that the Habs are sorely lacking playmakers on the PP with Plekanec playing out of position, Diaz unimpressive, and Desharnais not being good at setting up point men. Gomez and especially Markov returning will help the PP as a whole and with that Subban's point totals.
He meant that Martin lost confidence in Subban on the PP. Which is obviously the case since he's not on our top unit.

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hes playing a lot better defensively.

offensively, he isn't getting the pp time, but he's still getting plenty of shots (4th in the nhl in shots for d-men).

the points will come.

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He's meta-trolling fans of other teams who begrudgingly took him on their fantasy teams.
I went out on a limb drafting him at all in a pool with just Leaf fans...and now I'm doubly screwed because he's not even doing well.

So yah...he's succeeding admirably at that

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Martin hasn't lost confidence in Subban, that's ridiculous. He is not producing offensively but he has made leaps and bounds this season defensively. Obviously that's not going to help you in your pool but that doesn't really matter to me.

The numbers will come when the PP gets going but I think he's played good this year.
ahh no he hasn't. the only thing I notice is that hes smarter when it comes to rushing the puck up the ice and picking the proper time to do so.

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He's been fine except for his point total. He's been the victim of Martin's love affair with Yannick Weber who plays on the first PP wave instead of PK. I love Weber, but Martin should know that Subban is our main offensive threat on D and he should be used as such.

However, he's been fine defensively for the most part, plays against the other teams' best players and while he still makes costly mistakes once in a while, he's playing well. I think once he finally scores his first goal, he'll really get going. Anyhow, I sure hope so because my fantasy team needs him.

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11-11-2011, 10:02 AM
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Diaz is the Darche of defence, so he gets the pp time. Drop him for now I'm sure there is someone that's producing a lot more on waivers

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He meant that Martin lost confidence in Subban on the PP. Which is obviously the case since he's not on our top unit.
He's not on the top unit but he is leading Habs' defensemen in PP TOI and PP TOI/game (which surprised me).

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He has been struggling on the PP, but to be fair, i think he has 40+ shots, he just isnt having much luck.

He is taking more defensive responsibility with all the injuries. Cant be run & gun with all the rooks on the back-end. I agree that when Markov/Campoli return, his numbers will jump

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He's not on the top unit but he is leading Habs' defensemen in PP TOI and PP TOI/game (which surprised me).
who else is going to play 25 mins? maybe gorges thats it

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He's no Luke Schenn.

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He'll be one of your best defensemen for the latter half of the season, book it.

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Diaz is the Darche of defence, so he gets the pp time. Drop him for now I'm sure there is someone that's producing a lot more on waivers
Do you always just randomly invent things?

Subban is second on the entire team in PP time on ice and has almost twice as much as Diaz.

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It's a mixture of the dreaded "sophomore slump" and the fact that players now know what he's going to do.

Offensively, he's struggling. He has the gift of being a good stick handler and skating well too however he is cursed with the ability to want to do too much, instead of keeping it simple. He is 4th among defencemen in shots, but he could be first if he concentrated more on getting the puck to the net instead of winding up for those crazy 200 mph slapshots that usually miss the net. Offensively, he is a step below his form from last year.

Defensively, he's improved and is a step above his form from last year. He's winning battles in corners, he's hitting well, clearing the front of the net well and getting the puck out of the zone when his team needs him to.

All in all, he needs to just keep it simple offensively and the numbers should start to roll in. The return of Markov should help, if he is to be paired with him on the first PP unit.

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