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11-17-2011, 11:07 PM
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Since Matt Cooke changed his ways, our physicality in the top 9 has dropped significantly imo
He still has his fair share of hits, just no dumb ones.

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11-17-2011, 11:08 PM
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Meh,

+ I won at the Casino tonite.
+ I missed most of the game because I was at the casino.

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11-18-2011, 12:53 AM
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+ I didn't get to watch any of this game because I was watching a friend's band at a bar while getting drunk.

- I'm not drunk anymore.

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11-18-2011, 01:01 AM
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+ We never stopped trying
+ Mac almost scored haha

- Why wait to pull the goalie and play 6 on 4 instead of 6 on 3?
- Letang on the pp, I want to see Sullivan at the point and Kennedy on the left wall, he was a good one-timer whereas Sully doesn't like to one time it it seems. And the could always switch positions
- I really don't understand why we didn't sing Bergeron as a 7th dman / pp specialist. I've been wanting that for years now and tonight we could have really used him, he now has 17 points in 18 games for Tampa
- Staal on the 1st goal, that simply cannot happen, you have to know that they have the big three on the ice, carelss turnover
- I didn't like Fleury's game, he wasn't bad, but he didn't help either

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11-18-2011, 01:21 AM
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Our PP is ninth in the league over 18% and that's all without Sid.

Letang had a rough game on the PP but he's been pretty good this year so far on it, and very good in general. Give it time.

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11-18-2011, 01:27 AM
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I'm not liking the Mac signing so far, even godard would have maybe 3 fights by now. Mac is useless here....it's like having Laraque, but a worse player because Laraque could atleast play a little.

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11-18-2011, 02:11 AM
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I'm not liking the Mac signing so far, even godard would have maybe 3 fights by now. Mac is useless here....it's like having Laraque, but a worse player because Laraque could atleast play a little.
Won't last long. He is getting waived when more players come back from injury. There might have been doubt about that before we saw him play, but now there just can't be.

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11-18-2011, 02:22 AM
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Why not keep Tangradi up and leave Mac down in WBS until Sid's back. I understand it was a conditioning stint, but can't that last a couple weeks?

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11-18-2011, 02:27 AM
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+ We never stopped trying
+ Mac almost scored haha

- Why wait to pull the goalie and play 6 on 4 instead of 6 on 3?
- Letang on the pp, I want to see Sullivan at the point and Kennedy on the left wall, he was a good one-timer whereas Sully doesn't like to one time it it seems. And the could always switch positions
- I really don't understand why we didn't sing Bergeron as a 7th dman / pp specialist. I've been wanting that for years now and tonight we could have really used him, he now has 17 points in 18 games for Tampa
- Staal on the 1st goal, that simply cannot happen, you have to know that they have the big three on the ice, carelss turnover
- I didn't like Fleury's game, he wasn't bad, but he didn't help either
-Not many coaches are that aggressive pulling their goalie.
-I was pretty angry they weren't using TK more. From start to finish, he looked like our best player imo. Sully needs to be our pointman from now on, I'm pretty sick of Letang flubbing one time passes to Geno and his inability to gain the zone.
-Bergeron was going to be resigned by Tampa, that's just the way it is.
-The ice was ****. The puck literally stopped on a dime, not Staal's fault. Needed one of our D-men to impede Vinny a little bit.
-Fleury isn't the problem, but he hasn't been the solution like in the past.

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11-18-2011, 07:04 AM
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Since Matt Cooke changed his ways, our physicality in the top 9 has dropped significantly imo
Hits are down for pretty much all of our players.. I think that has more to do with the league's rule changes than just Cooke.

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11-18-2011, 07:19 AM
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It always feels weird to me, to sit back and offer an opinion on how to fix a problem with a highly skilled player like Letang, but what I am seeing is easily correctable. So I'm not sure why the coaches haven't fixed this with Letang yet, but...

I've been paying close attention to his one time setups to Malkin and Letang keeps passing to Malkin's back foot. Which forces Malkin to double clutch.

You learn in Adam how to make this pass; you have to aim for the middle of his feet, his five hole. This is the shooter's prime striking point that allows for maximum power and accuracy. Letang also has to take a little steam off the pass and not gun it so hard.

It is almost impossible to one time a shot from behind your skate, especially when it is traveling that fast. You literally have to wrench your back to do it, and God knows where the puck will go if you do contact it.

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11-18-2011, 07:20 AM
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+ James Neal.
+ the bottom lines.

- the powerplay. It didn't come through when we needed it to.
- the 3rd and 4th lines outplayed the 1st and 2nd lines

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11-18-2011, 07:24 AM
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I'm not liking the Mac signing so far, even godard would have maybe 3 fights by now. Mac is useless here....it's like having Laraque, but a worse player because Laraque could atleast play a little.
Who on Tampa would have dropped gloves with Mac? He wants to fight, everybody is scared of him.
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Why not keep Tangradi up and leave Mac down in WBS until Sid's back. I understand it was a conditioning stint, but can't that last a couple weeks?
So he can sit in the press box? The only reason Mac played was because everybody always plays during the fathers trip. Eric Tangradi needs to be playing, him sitting watching does no good for his development.

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11-18-2011, 08:03 AM
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For all the crapping on Letang regarding the PP, he was tied for 11th last year among defensemen in PP points (with Malkin and Crosby gone for half the season), and he's tied for 3rd this year.

Whatever his shortcomings there, it's pretty obvious his other attributes make up for it. He can always get better (wheelhouse passes, for one), but talk of taking him off the 1st PP unit is ********.

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11-18-2011, 08:08 AM
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Hits are down for pretty much all of our players.. I think that has more to do with the league's rule changes than just Cooke.
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11-18-2011, 08:24 AM
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Since Matt Cooke changed his ways, our physicality in the top 9 has dropped significantly imo
But our offense has also increased (in terms of being more spread out that is). You take the good with the bad I suppose. Not having to see Cooke in the box every single game isn't such a bad thing.

Anyways, I see the Bolts has being what the Devils were to us prior to last season. They're that team that for some reason we just can't seem to beat, and always seems to know how to play against us. We continue to make Roloson look like a Vezina winner in his 20's, and we continue to have trouble stopping the Bolts PP. Every team has that "kryptonite" opponent, and I think Tampa just happens to be ours.

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11-18-2011, 08:24 AM
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+TFK scoring
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11-18-2011, 08:58 AM
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Kris Letang is powerplay poison.
Given all of the hype he receives, his offensive skills really aren't all that great.

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11-18-2011, 09:10 AM
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Am I the only one thinking our offense is a little too predictable?
Time for some new looks and line combos?
I don't think line combos per se are the option. BUT, I would have hoped to see a little more creativity in the use of Staal and Malkin, either together or out there for more than the two combined random shifts they took with third and fourth line guys.

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11-18-2011, 09:14 AM
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Martin hasn't even been a factor, and certainly not a $5 million factor. Shut down ability my ass. He's a got a good stick and plays smart is a more realistic way of putting it, and he's actually been playing like an idiot lately. He had a good not great year last year and only a decent one considering what we're paying him and how far we went out of our way to get him. He's a pretty good defenseman overall but that's as far as anyone should ever go in the big picture. The rest is smoke and mirrors. If he was on an average team making what he's worth you wouldn't even hear a murmur about him.
Well, that was the Martin in NJ. It's probably the going rate too, at 5M, for that. Our problem, I still think, is that it's easy to notice the one area where our last 5M defenseman was better (shooting and work in general on the PP) and harder to notice the things like stick work and other little things defensively he does better (you only notice a guy like that when he gets burned). The book on him always was that he does a lot of things well but nothing exceptionally and is weak in terms of his shooting and physical play, two things that become exposed in the playoffs.

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11-18-2011, 09:18 AM
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That's why it's tough to get pissed at a game like tonight. I mean realistically, how much better are you going to play?

Even on the PK, Moore takes a turnaround shot - and I don't care what anyone says, his shot attempt missed - and it ended up being a perfect slap pass. Downie's? Perfect rebound off a block right to the slot that 99 times out of 100 bounces harmlessly into the corner.

As for Martin, I don't like being insulted when "intangibles" get thrown in my face. I understand perfectly well what I'm watching, and I'm watching a guy who's sound positionally and granted, can skate the puck through the neutral zone. I can find a ton of d-men in the league who can do that. In fact, I bet there's one on almost every team. I don't know how many of them are paid 5M though.

I'm not basing this on any formula, but if you're making anything more than 3.75M as a D, you better be putting up a few points and/or running guys over.
That's a really good number, that 3.75M. Question: Is there a defenseman who makes more than 3.75M per year who does NOT do at least one vital thing exceptionally and at the very least a lot better than Martin?

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11-18-2011, 09:21 AM
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For all the crapping on Letang regarding the PP, he was tied for 11th last year among defensemen in PP points (with Malkin and Crosby gone for half the season), and he's tied for 3rd this year.

Whatever his shortcomings there, it's pretty obvious his other attributes make up for it. He can always get better (wheelhouse passes, for one), but talk of taking him off the 1st PP unit is ********.
1. There is no real other option 5 on 4. But, when Sid comes back and either Geno or Kunitz go, it's not as if the top PP will become better.

2. With respect, if we get a 5 on 3 against the Panthers, I want Geno on the point, Neal in Geno's spot, and Staal joining Kunitz in front of the net. It's pretty clear that we need three shooters in shooting position AND a better net front presence on that. Staal>Kunitz in front of the net, Geno>Letang on the point on the 5 on 3, Neal is close enough to Geno in the right circle that the advantages win out.

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11-18-2011, 09:21 AM
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For all the crapping on Letang regarding the PP, he was tied for 11th last year among defensemen in PP points (with Malkin and Crosby gone for half the season), and he's tied for 3rd this year.

Whatever his shortcomings there, it's pretty obvious his other attributes make up for it. He can always get better (wheelhouse passes, for one), but talk of taking him off the 1st PP unit is ********.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...Name=timeOnIce

The difference between Letang in 1st and nr2 is bigger than that between nr.2 and nr. 13. Letang got an insane amount of PP time.

That's your reason, and it is the same reason this season.

Anyone who has seen the past season or just seen Letang personally butcher 5 on 3s in three consecutive games now cannot argue that it is insane to question his PP abilities. His passes on the PP in general just aren't that good, and he scores way too few goals considering the opportunities and minutes he has or the number of shots he takes.

I am saying this as a major Letang fan.

Compare with ANYONE else close to the minutes he plays, and their PP efficiency is a lot higher. The reason Letang played and plays the minutes he did and does on the PP is that we are the team getting the most PP's in the league and we have no one else to try and be the defender to run the PP. Of course, Gogo had more PP time before he was traded, but afterwards Letang was the only option as Martin is even less of a QB and cannot dent a bowler hat.

And it is not the only example of this PP time despite lack of ability. Kunitz last season was 13th in PP ice-time for forwards. He was 133rd in PP points for forwards. We had no real QB and we had no real net front presence guy. But without Sid and Malkin, those guys got loads and loads of time. And despite the lousy percentage rate.... well, some times it has to convert, and with Kris playing 20% more minutes on the PP than number 2 in the league.... well....


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11-18-2011, 09:30 AM
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No defenseman on this team should be the PP quarterback. The power play should never run through a D-man on this team as long as 87 and 71 are on the club. The PP should run through 71, imo. 87 is money down low.

When Sid returns, I'd be in favor of trying an old-school five forward PP setup...

Kunitz-Crosby-Neal
Sullivan-Malkin

You could move Crosby to the right half-boards and Neal to the front of the net, too. Or Crosby can zone in and out between the front of the net and the back of the net (like Gretzky). We could also start using Staal instead of Kunitz on the first unit, in front of the net.

I love Letang but I never envisioned him as the true PP quarterback. Moreso a complementary guy on the power play. Anyway, just a thought.

As for MacIntyre, I don't see why we would be waiving him. the Crosby concerns won't go away the minute he returns to action. In fact, they'll only get bigger. We need Mac in the lineup. The reason he's not fighting is most of his heavyweight opponents are either injured or in the minors these days. And we haven't played a team with a true enforcer in the lineup for a while. Besides, having Mac in the lineup means more ice time for our best forwards. Always a plus.

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11-18-2011, 09:33 AM
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As for MacIntyre, I don't see why we would be waiving him.
Because the alternative is waiving someone who can play hockey and has a purpose on the team.


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