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View Poll Results: Are the Jackets worse off after the Jeff Carter trade?
Yes - with Jakub Voracek and Sean Couturier, we would have more than three wins. 22 41.51%
No - Jeff Carter has helped this team when he's been in the lineup; we are a better team with him. 31 58.49%
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11-18-2011, 06:26 AM
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1st thought: It's good to want things. I want a huge raise.

2nd thought: Fine, as long as I can have Jake back.

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11-18-2011, 06:49 AM
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The nightlife is not what it was in Philly, eh Jeff?

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11-18-2011, 08:14 AM
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I get it if he's not happy with the situation here, but anyone who's happy to be a part of a 3-13-2 team really needs to go. However, if true, I have no patience for the guy if he's not willing to bust his butt to be part of the solution. That goes for everybody in the organ-eye-zation.

If it does come to a trade, I'd hope it's done for maximum return, and frankly I'm hoping it won't be Howson making the move. He's the one who got Carter here, and if that turns out to be a huge mistake, I don't want him making the next deal.

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11-18-2011, 08:23 AM
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Never trust the French:
http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/conte...e-request.html

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11-18-2011, 08:25 AM
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For me the key is this: Does he want to part of a winning team, or help create a winner? The CBJ seems to have a lot of players who want choice 1, but precious few willing to take choice 2.

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11-18-2011, 08:27 AM
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Or any of the Canadian media, there is always an agenda in their reporting.

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11-18-2011, 08:35 AM
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Per Renaud Lavoie.

http://www.rds.ca/hockey/chroniques/330219.html

What you think?
The link for more information takes you to his blog, which states that he contacted Rick Curran, Carter's agent, who told him there had been no request for a trade.

I'll be happy to re-open if there is further evidence.

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11-18-2011, 05:19 PM
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Would the Jackets be Better Without Carter?

Pretty simple, up front. Would the Columbus Blue Jackets (3-13-2) be off to a better start after 18 games, had the Jeff Carter trade never happened?

Early stat comparisons:

Jeff Carter: 8 GP, 0 G, 3 A, -3 rating, 6 PIMS, 29 shots, 20:06 ATOI

Jakub Voracek: 18 GP, 3 G, 10 A, +2 rating, 12 PIMS, 37 shots, 14:38 ATOI

Sean Couturier (8th overall pick - let's just say, for arguments sake, that we drafted him and he made the team): 18 GP, 5 G, 3 A, +9 rating, 2 PIMS, 27 shots, 13:06 ATOI

Had we hung on to Jakub Voracek, and used our 8th pick to select Sean Couturier, would these guys have such solid numbers at this point in the season? Would we be a better team with them both in the lineup?

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11-18-2011, 05:35 PM
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No, we're better with Carter, those stats are irrelevant because Jake is on a good team. If he's still on the Jackets he's not a plus player, and he doesn't have nearly as many points.

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11-18-2011, 05:44 PM
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Did not vote because I do not like the comments after the Yes and No.

If this was a straight Yes No poll I would have voted No because this team will be better with Carter in the line up over the long hull.

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11-18-2011, 06:07 PM
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I am in a really bad mood to begin with... This poll gets me in an even worse mood.

Die, tread, die, die, die die die.

We try and take a small sample size and debate something profound of it. Look at Nash's last 8 games, 1G 3A -8. Are we better off without him?

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11-18-2011, 06:12 PM
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For one, this is a terrible poll with loaded language after a simple yes or no. Regardless Carter has played 8 fricken games with this team I think anybody evaluating his effect on the team after only 8 games is a bit ridiculous.

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11-18-2011, 06:30 PM
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This team would be better without Nash Carter and Umberger right now.Bring up three from Springfield and there would be no difference

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Would the Flyers be in first in the Atlantic with Carter and Richards? Oh the agony.

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This team would be better without Umberger and Vermette right now. Carter had plenty of chances last game, shocked he didn't pot one.

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11-18-2011, 08:47 PM
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There are plenty of other problems on this team other than Carter. Jake and Couturier wouldn't have changed that. Jake would have been usual Jake and slacked even more, and Sean probably wouldn't have made the team.

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11-18-2011, 09:00 PM
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I can't decide whether Carter is part of the problem or part of the solution right now. However, if the subject were names like Mason, Vermette, Arniel, or even Pahlsson, the decision is far more clear cut.

The others are right about Jake. In Columbus, he's having the same kind of year he had last year.

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11-18-2011, 09:10 PM
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I really like Jake but...

1. Philla has his the first and the second center... Giroux and Briere... we do not have.
2. Voracek played with Read and Talbot now and Couturier is in the fourth line... it is great for his development but Couturier would play in juniors if we drafted him and Voracek with Brassard what is... ehmm... simply two playmakers are not good combination.

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11-18-2011, 09:21 PM
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Opened this back up for two reasons:

1) Some media coverage of this in the Dispatch and this seems a reasonable place to discuss it, if you all want.

http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/conte...lllllllle.html

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-- In an earlier post, we quoted Blue Jackets GM Scott Howson in denying a report via RDS that center Jeff Carter has requested a trade. Howson and Carter chatted briefly this morning in Nashville, and Howson said nothing has changed from his earlier statement. There was no trade request. Carter said Howson approached him only has a heads-up that the local media would be looking for him after practice. (Yep. They were.) Carter also vehemently denied the report, and he had more to say. That will be our main story in Saturday's editions of The Dispatch.
2) To merge that horrid "better off without" thread.

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11-18-2011, 09:32 PM
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Carter played two games healthy before his injury because the others with flu. Than he injured. Than he came to the team who was not extra psychical... and impove our the first line but unfortunately Umberger plays there and he plays simply tragical the most of the time. Umby is good to two players as Brassard and Voracek in the last sseason or in the checking line but not to the first line... it is nice Arniel wants to use his chemistry with Carter but there were another times under another coach and especially another team with another style. Now not. Carter would be better with Nash and probably Atkinson or Kubalik. And maybe we could unjoin Nash and Carter and made the lines:

Prospal--Carter--Atkinson
Nash--Letestu--Johansen
Calvert--Vermette--Kubalik
Umberger--MacKenzie--Boll

Mayorov is injured. And Dorsett... he plays hard no doubt but iMO Kubalik and Boll are more fit for us than he.

Maybe two strong lines would help not only him but all our team.

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11-18-2011, 11:06 PM
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Carter for Luongo? Both are on long term deals and would basically wash each other out in terms of salary and cap hit.
Wow... very good.

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Jeff Carter was a miserable SOB in Philly and the reason he is no longer there.

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11-18-2011, 11:36 PM
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I begrudgingly accept the "country club theory" that has been floating around here for years, and I suspect it's relevant here. Call me cynical. I don't believe these are just two men desperate to turn this franchise around. I believe these are two men who know they can chlllax at work here and make a ton of money while doing so.

I hope I'm wrong as hell.

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What about Carter to Phoenix for Kyle Turris and a 1st round pick next year???

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Yeah, I can't vote for either of those options. Carter hasn't played many games and he's been injured through essentially all of them.

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