I don't know what it is, I just can't take the Blues seriously. No disrespect intended, but they've always been one of those teams I can almost completely forget are in the league.
The Blues are looking real good right now under Hitch, but I think you need to wait a little longer before you can get cocky, OP.
There is a BIG difference between being cocky and being excited that my team is playing well. The Blues have in fact been playing great and they have passed A LOT of teams in the past two weeks. It's pretty exciting right now. Sorry if I came off as cocky but between when I made the post and now the Blues have moved up about 6 spots in the Western standings. So... yeah.
Last edited by FilthyNote: 11-28-2011 at 02:15 AM.
Please back this up? Where have you been the last 10 or so years?
It happened in Philadelphia, Dallas, and Columbus. The players tune him out over time and he gets fired. He does great 1.5 years or so and then drops.
If what you say is true then why did Dallas miss the playoffs their first year with hitch and then only get better and eventually win the cup 3 years later with another SCF finals appearence the next year?
With Philly Hitch made the playoffs every year he was there.
He took CBJ to their first and only ever playoff appearence and CBJ is obviously better without him this year huh?
Hitchcocks career stats:
541-351-88(T)-72(OTL)
1 Stanley Cup
9 Playoff appearances.
6 Division titles.
15 NHL coaching seasons.
Please tell me how that translates to 1.5 (at first you said just 1) good years then a huge drop off when he has only been with 4 teams.
If what you say is true then why did Dallas miss the playoffs their first year with hitch and then only get better and eventually win the cup 3 years later with another SCF finals appearence the next year?
With Philly Hitch made the playoffs every year he was there.
He took CBJ to their first and only ever playoff appearence and CBJ is obviously better without him this year huh?
Hitchcocks career stats:
541-351-88(T)-72(OTL)
1 Stanley Cup
9 Playoff appearances.
6 Division titles.
15 NHL coaching seasons.
Please tell me how that translates to 1.5 (at first you said just 1) good years then a huge drop off when he has only been with 4 teams.
So you're denying players on 3 teams have tuned him out and that he preaches an outdated system?
His system makes goalies look great, works excellent for a short while, but eventually breaks down. It's an outdated holdover from the pre-lockout era.
He wasn't the sole reason why those teams stopped doing well, but I think the Bleacher report summarized it best:
Quote:
It will be endlessly documented as to the reasons why: the inconsistent treatment of players–aka, too long a leash for the veterans, too short of one for the young players; the Filatov fiasco; the players no longer buying into his system; the ever-changing NHL game–"The new NHL"–and Hitch's inability to adapt, as Lindy Rupp was able to do; that he had worn out his welcome, something that had occurred at his previous two NHL stops.
They are playing Some great hockey. But teams slump, and what makes a great team is how they respond to that slump. Some teams slump and never return. The great teams respond. So I'm going to reserve my "oh uh Detroit has to play the Blues next" moments until they face some adversity and respond like cup contenders.
I always convince myself the Blues will lose when they play Detroit that way if they win its just that much sweeter
There is a BIG difference between being cocky and being excited that my team is playing well. The Blues have in fact been playing great and they have passed A LOT of teams in the past two weeks. It's pretty exciting right now. Sorry if I came off as cocky but between when I made the post and now the Blues have moved up about 6 spots in the Western standings. So... yeah.
Fair enough, however. the teams behind all the way down to Los Angeles in 10th spot are only 1-2 points behind the Blues, they have not separated themselves from the pack yet. If they keep it up and leave a gap in the standings for other teams to catch up to, then I'll be convinced.
So you're denying players on 3 teams have tuned him out and that he preaches an outdated system?
His system makes goalies look great, works excellent for a short while, but eventually breaks down. It's an outdated holdover from the pre-lockout era.
Way to completely avoid my question. You asked for somebody to back it up that Hitch does not just do good for 1 year and then there is a huge drop-off. I proved that, that is not the case now you are changing your argument to "his style is pre-lockout."
I understand you may be a bit bitter(?) that you lost Hitch and that he is doing great for the Blues right now but please, if you watch the Blues and watch his presser's he has said time and time again that he has been doing some serious work this off-season to change his style because he know's his old ways won't work in todays NHL. I can attest to this because I have watched every single game since he has been here.
And really? 3 players tuning him out means every team he ever coached was only good for their first year? Which I proved you wrong anyways on this account. And if you are talking about Filatov... ask the Sens' how awesome he is doing. He is so good he made their AHL club.
Way to completely avoid my question. You asked for somebody to back it up that Hitch does not just do good for 1 year and then there is a huge drop-off. I proved that, that is not the case now you are changing your argument to "his style is pre-lockout."
I understand you may be a bit bitter(?) that you lost Hitch and that he is doing great for the Blues right now but please, if you watch the Blues and watch his presser's he has said time and time again that he has been doing some serious work this off-season to change his style because he know's his old ways won't work in todays NHL. I can attest to this because I have watched every single game since he has been here.
And really? 3 players tuning him out means every team he ever coached was only good for their first year? Which I proved you wrong anyways on this account. And if you are talking about Filatov... ask the Sens' how awesome he is doing. He is so good he made their AHL club.
I'm not bitter that we "lost" him. I don't think he'd have helped this team, or else Howson would have put him in.
We know what we had him, just like we know what we had with Russell. Both are performing above their heads, just like Nikitin is for us. Teams change coaches and get hot all the time.
It isn't like the Blues miraculously got some great coach that's turning the team around. I'm saying that the players and GM's so far couldn't have been wrong about him.
I'm not bitter that we "lost" him. I don't think he'd have helped this team, or else Howson would have put him in.
We know what we had him, just like we know what we have with Russell. Both are performing above their heads, just like Nikitin is for us. Teams change coaches and get hot all the time.
No doubt. I don't expect Russell to keep up this pace either. I really liked Nikitin's defense too. Man yesterdays game was a bad game for both teams wasn't it? It really could have gone either way.
Anyways, I just hope you don't throw around this "Hitch is only good for the first year then guys tune him out." stuff anymore. That's all I was getting at. Because it's simply not true.
Anyways, I just hope you don't throw around this "Hitch is only good for the first year then guys tune him out." stuff anymore. That's all I was getting at. Because it's simply not true.
I think it is post-lockout. Hitch claimed that he's tried to overhaul his system, but so far it has looked extremely similar.
I think the Blues are a #6-#8 team in the West, but they need their best players to be their best players. Backes and Oshie are doing well, but guys need to come off the IR and play well.
Please back this up? Where have you been the last 10 or so years?
It happened in Philadelphia, Dallas, and Columbus. The players tune him out over time and he gets fired. He does great 1.5 years or so and then drops.
Very few coaches in the league stick with one team for a very long time, especially teams that aren't regularly going deep in the playoffs. Hitchcock's tenures with each of his teams were actually quite long. So this is not something that defines Hitchcock more than most coaches.
And if you look at each one of those teams, they did fine with him past the "1.5 years" mark. Five consecutive 100+ point seasons with Dallas, three consecutive 100+ point seasons with Philly, and Columbus got better for three consecutive years under Hitchcock before he was fired the year after they made the playoffs for the first and only time in franchise history.
He holds the record for most games coached for the Stars (or North Stars).
He was the longest tenured coach in Philly for a decade prior to his arrival.
He holds the record for most games coached for the Blue Jackets.
What am I missing? Where is this infamous one-year honeymoon? Where does this "the players tune him out" thing come from, especially more so than for other coaches?
I am warming up the bandwagon. There's still room for more.
There is not, it is full, I cant stand bandwagon fans. You either like the team or you do not, liking something should not change based on his/her/its performance.
There is not, it is full, I cant stand bandwagon fans. You either like the team or you do not, liking something should not change based on his/her/its performance.
There's plenty of room for newcomers. I keep hearing fans from other teams say they like our team and our young players and Hitch's system is perfect for the Blues. Jump aboard, choo-choo
There's plenty of room for newcomers. I keep hearing fans from other teams say they like our team and our young players and Hitch's system is perfect for the Blues. Jump aboard, choo-choo
I have no problem with new comers if they are not planning on getting off at the top of the hill. But if they plan on jumping off somebody needs to throw them under neath
, they need to start producing at least respectably
