Laraque was a goon -- Lucic is not. You may not like him, you may not like his style, but if you didn't do a little jig on the day you learn he's signed a contract with your team you are .............. well, you get the picture. Not worth getting an infraction spelling it out for you.
Regardless, if that day ever happens, ask yourself then why you'd trade 5 minutes plus of Lucic for Laraque. Particularly when Montreal was using a spot on their number one line for Laraque to chase Lucic around the ice. .
That was a piece of asinine coaching that will not be soon repeated. Pathetic, but really really amusing to watch.
Laraque was a goon according to who? You? Actually Laraque refused to fight anyone much smaller than him. For Lucic, he made an exception.
And yeah, that was stupid. We had our hopeless GM as coach though, what do you expect? I didn't expect much out of that postseason anyway. We paid the price, we move on. Guy Carbonneau should never have been fired that year.
I love how everyone talks about Pacioretty as some young up and coming prospect, that in 3 years time is going to be so much better than the old, grizzled veteran, Lucic. They are both the same age, and Lucic is, to this point, much more accomplished than Pacioretty.
I love how everyone talks about Pacioretty as some young up and coming prospect, that in 3 years time is going to be so much better than the old, grizzled veteran, Lucic. They are both the same age, and Lucic is, to this point, much more accomplished than Pacioretty.
They're not talking about age, they're talking about experience. Lucic has 4 complete seasons under his belt. Pacioretty has never played a full season yet.
[/B]I think it was the game where during a scrum he went after Steve Kampher, and when Chara tried to get at him he left the scene quite quickly. Steven Kampher is around 5'10", 180 lbs. This is where the issue with Max Pac comes from WRT bruin fans. When Max Pax scores 30 and carries a cup around the ice (besides the one in his pants) then they will be close, until then no GM in the league would take Max Pax over Lucic, everyone knows this.
Because he got into a scrum with Steve Kampfer is the issue?
They're not talking about age, they're talking about experience. Lucic has 4 complete seasons under his belt. Pacioretty has never played a full season yet.
Exactly...so the comparison is a tough one to make when one of the players has already established himself in the league, as a top power forward and 30 goal scorer and the other one has yet to score 30 points in any single season. Considering that Lucic has a good head start on Pac and they are both the same age, which means they can both still improve, I would have to give Lucic the edge.
Laraque was a goon according to who? You? Actually Laraque refused to fight anyone much smaller than him. For Lucic, he made an exception.
And yeah, that was stupid. We had our hopeless GM as coach though, what do you expect? I didn't expect much out of that postseason anyway. We paid the price, we move on. Guy Carbonneau should never have been fired that year.
Laraque was a goon because there are kids playing peewee right now who can skate better and have better hands than he ever did
Why hasn't Pacioretty played a full season in the NHL? I'm aware of what happened last year, but what about before that? What was keeping him from the NHL?
I can't see Pacioretty ever getting 35-40 goals. He might have an outside shot at reaching 30 once, but not consistently. I just don't see the big deal about the guy.
Who cares? He wasn't being paid to figure skate. He was an enforcer. That's his job. Shawn Thornton is the smaller version of Georges Laraque.
Shawn Thornton had 10 goals last year and plays near a regular shift...not sure his average ice time per game, but it has to be somewhere around 10min. per game, at least. Shawn Thornton is not Laraque
Why hasn't Pacioretty played a full season in the NHL? I'm aware of what happened last year, but what about before that? What was keeping him from the NHL?
I can't see Pacioretty ever getting 35-40 goals. He might have an outside shot at reaching 30 once, but not consistently. I just don't see the big deal about the guy.
This homer says he'll take Lucic.
It took him a while to be consistent. He wasn't NHL ready. Went down to Hamilton for long stretches, but we have good coaching in our farm system and Pacioretty has really grown from it. Doesn't have to worry about making the team anymore. Best power forward on our team..only power forward for that matter lol unless you consider Cole a power forward.
Uhhh, first of all, can we please standardize on a nickname for Max Pacioretty? We Bruins fans have one - Looch. This thread has him as Patches, Pax, Pac, etc., sometimes in the very same post! Get it together Habs fans, make a decision and stick with it!!
As to comparing the two, there is a reason Lucic has 4 seasons in the league and Patches (Pax? Pac? Patty Patty Buke Buke??) doesn't, and it has to do with one being a NHL ready player at 19, while the other was not. That right there says volumes.
Shawn Thornton had 10 goals last year and plays near a regular shift...not sure his average ice time per game, but it has to be somewhere around 10min. per game, at least. Shawn Thornton is not Laraque
The point is Thornton is not being paid to score goals.
Uhhh, first of all, can we please standardize on a nickname for Max Pacioretty? We Bruins fans have one - Looch. This thread has him as Patches, Pax, Pac, etc., sometimes in the very same post! Get it together Habs fans, make a decision and stick with it!!
As to comparing the two, there is a reason Lucic has 4 seasons in the league and Patches (Pax? Pac? Patty Patty Buke Buke??) doesn't, and it has to do with one being a NHL ready player at 19, while the other was not. That right there says volumes.
It's because Lucic plays a physical game so the adjustment wasn't as big. They knew that he could handle it and fit right in. That's why he's and Clowe are the 2 best power forwards in the game today.
Shawn Thornton had 10 goals last year and plays near a regular shift...not sure his average ice time per game, but it has to be somewhere around 10min. per game, at least. Shawn Thornton is not Laraque
The Georges Laraque who played for Montreal was a shell of the player he once was.
Why hasn't Pacioretty played a full season in the NHL? I'm aware of what happened last year, but what about before that? What was keeping him from the NHL?
Some players just take longer to develop than others. He was bone skinny a few years ago, whereas Lucic was already close to 220.
Now I don't think Pax is a match for McQuaid, but it doesn't look like he declined or waited for the refs? Are my blinders on here?
Honestly, listen to NESN for more than 5 minutes during a Habs - Bruins game and it's not really surprising to see all these ridiculous opinions pop up among a few Boston fans. They are served hate and misconception as a 5-course meal every other day. Some of them lose perspective. I think I would too if this was my primary hockey source.
BTW, I love both players. They are both guys you build a winning team with (maybe even around, or is that pushing it?). Regardless, I think Paccioretty will develop as a pure goal scorer, so he's not really a comparable to Lucic.
I must not be the only one who takes Lucic without thinking twice? Both will probably score 30ish goals this year, but Lucic provides so much more grit, physical play, and intimidation.
They're not talking about age, they're talking about experience. Lucic has 4 complete seasons under his belt. Pacioretty has never played a full season yet.
It's because Lucic plays a physical game so the adjustment wasn't as big. They knew that he could handle it and fit right in. That's why he's and Clowe are the 2 best power forwards in the game today.
Milan Lucic was the very best forward on the ice his first playoff series in his rookie year, in physical presence as well as finesse. It's where Habs fan's hate originated for him. He not only physically intimidated their entire team (single handedly causing them to aquire Laraque), but he was a point a game scorer as a rookie. People underestimate this kid's talent because they are distracted by his physicality, but he is far more than the "He's a goon that'll never score close to 20" label placed on him back then (as he has proven quite convincingly, but some people still cling to that image like a leech).
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