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02-22-2012, 10:08 AM
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At that price, no chance.

I think we need wingers more than centers.

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02-22-2012, 10:11 AM
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At that price, no chance.

I think we need wingers more than centers.
Yeah, I think we'd be better off using that package for someone like Bobby Ryan, who makes the same amount.

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02-22-2012, 10:17 AM
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I think he's what would help us down the stretch; he has the ability to put up points....
I would maybe pull the trigger on Berglund and a first, but I'd need to be assured his past injury doesn't limit him long term. Not a chance of adding Cole in as well.

He has the ability to put up points but he is still on pace for under 50 points this season. While centering Vanek and Pominville. He had pretty serious surgery last season, and I don't know how much that has affected his production and if it would continue to in the future.

Far too big a risk for a player that, right now, isn't an an upgrade on Berglund on the defensive side and if a modest upgrade on offense.

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02-22-2012, 11:38 AM
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How would you all feel about

P. Berglund
I. Cole
1st Rd. '12

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D. Roy
I would have to buy a sufficient amount of foil to totally encase Army to keep any further mind control waves from getting to him.

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02-22-2012, 12:12 PM
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Roy hasn't been centering Vanek and Pominville for the majority of the season. He has been very consistent over the past few seasons. He would be a great addition, but I'm not sure that I would do that deal and I'm an advocate of trading for Roy.


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02-22-2012, 12:19 PM
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Roy hasn't been centering Vanek and Roy for the majority of the season.
Roy does not center Roy?

That is quite existential.

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Ordinarily I would at least be in partial agreement with you even if Roy does not quite fit the mold of how the Blues use their centers.

However, the past season's injury gives me more than a slight pause. A smaller guy like Roy will suffer from reduced speed/agility far more than a larger center all else being equal. As such I would honestly want further proof that he is in fact totally healthy before considering him a good addition (when taking his contract in to consideration) to the team.

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02-22-2012, 12:34 PM
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Roy does not center Roy?

That is quite existential.



Ordinarily I would at least be in partial agreement with you even if Roy does not quite fit the mold of how the Blues use their centers.

However, the past season's injury gives me more than a slight pause. A smaller guy like Roy will suffer from reduced speed/agility far more than a larger center all else being equal. As such I would honestly want further proof that he is in fact totally healthy before considering him a good addition (when taking his contract in to consideration) to the team.
You knew what I meant, Vanek and Pominville.

He is similar to Stastny in that they both have played with inferior linemate for the majority of the season, but when they play with players of similar talent level, they get points.

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02-22-2012, 02:16 PM
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Well if HF and fans are any indication, Stewart better get a plane ticket to Washington.

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02-22-2012, 02:16 PM
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From JR's Morning Skate:

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- The Blues have been scouting Washington Capitals' games recently and could have interest in defenseman Roman Hamrlik. Hamrik is finishing up the first season of a two-year, $7 million contract with the Capitals. Hamrlik is a left-handed shooting d-man who has two goals, 10 points and a plus-1 rating in 55 games this season.
Seeing as how Detroit and Nashville are adding D-men, adding a component from that Montreal run in front of Halak with 114 playoff games under his belt is how they'd be thinking. That's defnitely the element they're looking to add on D, but I'm not sure I like the fact that a guy turning 38 this spring would be getting 3.5M next year. He's playing 19:11 per game this season for them, which is more than Carlo plays. I don't know enough about his play this year to know what he's worth.

Salary would probably have to be going back, and Carlo would be my first guess along with whatever they'd be giving up, probably a 2d or 3d (would automatically mean Carlo's not being re-signed anyway and Washington is still in the playoff hunt so the value here is giving them more cap/salary room this summer). Probably have to see what the main boards and Caps fans have to say about the value.

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02-22-2012, 03:31 PM
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...I don't know enough about his play this year to know what he's worth.

Salary would probably have to be going back, and Carlo would be my first guess along with whatever they'd be giving up, probably a 2d or 3d (would automatically mean Carlo's not being re-signed anyway and Washington is still in the playoff hunt so the value here is giving them more cap/salary room this summer). Probably have to see what the main boards and Caps fans have to say about the value.
Lets find out

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02-22-2012, 03:47 PM
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So Ruutu got a 4 year 19 million deal (4.75 cap hit)

Think Grabovski can't get 5 mil a year now? I think his agent just wet himself a little bit.

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02-22-2012, 04:01 PM
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Ugh can forget about Grabovski then

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02-22-2012, 04:13 PM
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Haha, I really don't understand Carolina. Instead of getting at least a 1st for the guy, they overpay and screw the free agency market lol.

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02-22-2012, 04:55 PM
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Ruutu wouldn't want to stay in hapless Carolina, they would have had to overpay.

Anyone going to July 1 can be overpaid. Never been any doubt about that. Remains true that if the Blues gave up assets for someone like Grabovski they'd do due diligence first to learn what his expectations were and then try to sign him to a deal that fits. Without that due diligence no trade would happen. It's a premise.

I wonder whether the Blues would consider trading Stewart + Colaiacovo for Laich + Hamrlik. Laich's cap hit is 4.5 and his deal is somewhat long, but is due 4.0M four/five of those years in real dollars. It would require the Blues adding ~1M in salary the rest of this year and then

Laich (4.0) + Hamrlik (3.5) + Tarasenko (ELC) vs.
Stewart (3.25) + Cola (2.5) + Arnott (2.5+.375incentives)

is approximately equal. Next year you go Hamrlik, Jackman, Rusell, Cole (the team as a whole would have more playoff experience obviating the need for Huskins). You'd have Backes, Laich, Berglund as your centers and not need to go trolling the UFA market.

Then Hamrlik drops off with McDonald combined (7.7M) at the same time Pietrangelo + Shattenkirk due their raises. Cole's raise would be marginal, ala Polak's first raise. Schwartz still on his ELC. Perron, Oshie already signed and only Berglund up front due a raise (which wouldn't be huge unless he just broke out huge next year at PPG, in which case the team's going deep into the postseason and earning more playoff revenue).

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02-22-2012, 06:18 PM
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I cannot believe that Tuomo Ruutu will get paid higher than any single Blues player. Ruutu?!?! I thought we overpaid slightly for Steen at the time, boy do I feel like an idiot. Have to give props to Army's contract negotiation skills. Hoping he can secure Oshie and Perron for around $4mil.

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02-22-2012, 08:54 PM
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If we're dealing with Wash, I would still like to know if Alzner is available and what it would cost to obtain him.

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02-22-2012, 09:00 PM
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If we're dealing with Wash, I would still like to know if Alzner is available and what it would cost to obtain him.
Tarasenko+ in all probability. He isn't going to be available for anything realistic.

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02-22-2012, 09:26 PM
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Tarasenko+ in all probability. He isn't going to be available for anything realistic.
I think, you're thinking of Carlson's value.

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02-22-2012, 09:37 PM
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So what would it take to get Parenteau in a bluenote?

Bishop + 2nd and ???

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02-22-2012, 09:55 PM
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McRae/Bishop+2nd+4th could be a good starting point. I could see them wanting a 1st for him though. PAP is a guy that I would love to get.

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I think, you're thinking of Carlson's value.
Nope, Alzner is their #1 shutdown guy, gets really tough minutes and still has their best +/-. Why would they consider moving such a good shutdown guy who will ultimately compliment Green/Carlson so well? We would need to overpay to get them to consider it.

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02-22-2012, 10:07 PM
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McRae/Bishop+2nd+4th could be a good starting point. I could see them wanting a 1st for him though. PAP is a guy that I would love to get.
Lose McRae and we'd have a deal.

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Lose McRae and we'd have a deal.
It's one or the other, not both.

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It's one or the other, not both.
Whoops.

Bishop seems the most logical considering their goaltending needs, though.

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02-22-2012, 11:34 PM
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It's late and I feel like going to fantasy world. Let's say that the ownership situation gets figured out. They then give the thumbs up to spend. If Ovechkin became available, what would you give? Would you even want him? This is hypothetical, as we all know it would never happen.

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