Now i've looked at numerous threads on this forum for every team. Why is it that people under value marc staal and his potential. People are seriously crazy saying he is only a top 4 d man and not even a top pairing d man. There is no way we over value marc staal that much. But in your own opinion what truly is the value of marc staal? Especially since the team is playing so well with out him lately (but we can't look past the fact that we really haven't had to play any serious offensive threats yet. i.e. pits, wash, etc)
the value of marc staal is the difference between this team being a stanley cup contender and a middle-low playoff team.
as of now, despite the great record and TSN ranking the rangers #1 (which i don't agree with at all), this team definitely has its flaws. while the defense has been preforming well, adding marc staal into the offense eliminates a guy who is a liability (woywitka or eminger) and replaces them with one of the top 5 defensemen in the game right now. our 3rd line on defense is still a liability, and with MDZ on the 2nd line we're not exactly sure what we'll get out of that either. mcdonagh has stepped up big time and sauer has been great. with staal back you have:
Staal-Girardi -> one of, if not THE best shut down combo in the league
McDonagh-Sauer -> McD is a rising star with potential for a top pair spot next year, and sauer is solid as hell
MDZ-Woywitka/Stralman/Eminger -> MDZ has been solid again on both ends of the ice, and one of those 3 d-men should be able to hang in for ~10 minutes a game.
now look at that defense. rather than just having a GOOD defense, with staal in the lineup the rangers have a SCARY defense. that's a defense that, if everyone plays how they are right now through the entire year, should be top 3 if not the best in the league. lundqvist is a top 5 goaltender, and with a top 3 defense in front of him we should be able to shut down most offenses.
as good as our team has looked, we have to remember that we're yet to play a real contender. we haven't seen pittsburgh, washington, OR philly in the regular season, and those are the teams we'll be matched against in the playoffs. with staal in the lineup, our team has a realistic chance of competing in the east.
Marc Staal is a number one shut down defenseman on nearly any team in this league. There are many people out there who judge defensemen based on points more than they should and thats why he would be undervalued around the league. From a purely defensive standpoint, he is one of the best at shutting down top offensive guys.
Marc Staal doesn't get the respect because he doesn't get highlight reels, they don't show great defensive stick work at intermissions. Those of us who watch regularly and see a defensive lynchpin most certainly do not overvalue him.
the value of marc staal is the difference between this team being a stanley cup contender and a middle-low playoff team.
as of now, despite the great record and TSN ranking the rangers #1 (which i don't agree with at all), this team definitely has its flaws. while the defense has been preforming well, adding marc staal into the offense eliminates a guy who is a liability (woywitka or eminger) and replaces them with one of the top 5 defensemen in the game right now. our 3rd line on defense is still a liability, and with MDZ on the 2nd line we're not exactly sure what we'll get out of that either. mcdonagh has stepped up big time and sauer has been great. with staal back you have:
Staal-Girardi -> one of, if not THE best shut down combo in the league
McDonagh-Sauer -> McD is a rising star with potential for a top pair spot next year, and sauer is solid as hell
MDZ-Woywitka/Stralman/Eminger -> MDZ has been solid again on both ends of the ice, and one of those 3 d-men should be able to hang in for ~10 minutes a game.
now look at that defense. rather than just having a GOOD defense, with staal in the lineup the rangers have a SCARY defense. that's a defense that, if everyone plays how they are right now through the entire year, should be top 3 if not the best in the league. lundqvist is a top 5 goaltender, and with a top 3 defense in front of him we should be able to shut down most offenses.
as good as our team has looked, we have to remember that we're yet to play a real contender. we haven't seen pittsburgh, washington, OR philly in the regular season, and those are the teams we'll be matched against in the playoffs. with staal in the lineup, our team has a realistic chance of competing in the east.
Might disagree with that.
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Marc Staal =
has been the best shut down D in league until concussed.
Not clear when or if that will reverse, but it seems reasonable to speculate -- and it is speculation, not medical opinion --- that because concussion seemed to be via mild hit (e.g., not like when Shanahan violently banged his head on the ice + had to go off on a stretcher) --- that it is likely he will be ok sooner than later.
Room for improvement offensively, but this guy is not another Rod Seiling.
He can develop offensively.
When healthy enough, in second tier of 5 best D, roughly 7th or so.
Value for an elite D with his track record is very high, depending upon likelihood of return.
So likely scenario is too valuable to ordinary trade, Rangers will keep.
However, that aside, as courtesy to OP, since anyone can be traded if the return is ridiculous,
I would consider a high first and a good player/prospect up front
PLUS
additional conditional picks depending upon how much + how well Staal plays upon return.
If the return was massive overcompensation, I'd let him go, otherwise not.
the value of marc staal is the difference between this team being a stanley cup contender and a middle-low playoff team.
as of now, despite the great record and TSN ranking the rangers #1 (which i don't agree with at all), this team definitely has its flaws. while the defense has been preforming well, adding marc staal into the offense eliminates a guy who is a liability (woywitka or eminger) and replaces them with one of the top 5 defensemen in the game right now. our 3rd line on defense is still a liability, and with MDZ on the 2nd line we're not exactly sure what we'll get out of that either. mcdonagh has stepped up big time and sauer has been great. with staal back you have:
Staal-Girardi -> one of, if not THE best shut down combo in the league
McDonagh-Sauer -> McD is a rising star with potential for a top pair spot next year, and sauer is solid as hell
MDZ-Woywitka/Stralman/Eminger -> MDZ has been solid again on both ends of the ice, and one of those 3 d-men should be able to hang in for ~10 minutes a game.
now look at that defense. rather than just having a GOOD defense, with staal in the lineup the rangers have a SCARY defense. that's a defense that, if everyone plays how they are right now through the entire year, should be top 3 if not the best in the league. lundqvist is a top 5 goaltender, and with a top 3 defense in front of him we should be able to shut down most offenses.
as good as our team has looked, we have to remember that we're yet to play a real contender. we haven't seen pittsburgh, washington, OR philly in the regular season, and those are the teams we'll be matched against in the playoffs. with staal in the lineup, our team has a realistic chance of competing in the east.
Excuse me while I die from laughter. Staal is a top 5 defenseman in the league? Look I like Staal, but he is nowhere near top 5. Defensively speaking, he's solid. But he absolutely needs to work on his decision making, far too often he makes terrible reads and pinches and gets caught. He also has poor balance and falls down too much. Offensively speaking, I don't think you'll see an improvement. He's probably topped out in developing. Sorry, I had to chime in when I saw top 5 dman. Flame on
His value to the team? immeasurable. Why do you need to be reassured of that?
If you don't know that by now then you haven't been watching very long.
Yep, his value to the team is a lot mainly because of his experience and his penalty killing ability in tandem with Girardi. Look, he's real good defensively but I've said it here hundreds of times, his upside is not as great as a guy like McDonagh who is a much better skater and passer with a better feel for the game offensively. I honestly believe McD will be a better all around d-man eventually and Girardi who a lot of posters on this board had falling off the planet w/o Staal has obviously flourished w/o him. Sauer is Sauer, our best d-man from a fundamentals and positioning standpoint with or without Staal. The guy just never makes any glaring mistakes like Staal has had a tendency to do in the past. I really don't see Staal returning to the lineup at all this year since "overly cautious" seems to be the best approach nowadays with PCS. At some point in time taking into consideration the new CBA, etc and contract renewals and resultant increases, the Rangers will have to make a decision to possibly move one of their higher paid d-men.
Who knows how that may play out.
When he comes back he will be a better addition to the team than anyone we could trade for. Adding a top defenseman is gonna make a huge impact. He can be to the D what Gabby has been for the O
Excuse me while I die from laughter. Staal is a top 5 defenseman in the league? Look I like Staal, but he is nowhere near top 5. Defensively speaking, he's solid. But he absolutely needs to work on his decision making, far too often he makes terrible reads and pinches and gets caught. He also has poor balance and falls down too much. Offensively speaking, I don't think you'll see an improvement. He's probably topped out in developing. Sorry, I had to chime in when I saw top 5 dman. Flame on
I jus replied to pete judge and tempered my response, but I couldn't help but notice your take on Mr. Staal. You know what, he does fall down a lot and do you remember all the problems he was having getting caught when pinching in? He was constantly out of position with Girardi left to clean up his messes. I like Staal defensively and he has invaluable experience at least as far as the Rangers are concerned(since no one else other than him and Girardi have played more than 100 games, I don't count Emminger or Woywitka!). But, the way people talk about him around here you'd think he was Bobby Orr. A top 5 d-man in the league? He probably wouldn't be on the top defensive pairing on half the teams in the league.
I mean shut down wise I would say he is the best in the league. Offensively he is meh which is why he will never be up there with the Weber's of the league, but there are very few teams in this league where he would be the #2 shut down defenseman on this league and not the #1.
Thataboy! The only thing that made Staal with Girardi scary in the past was all the freakin turnovers, misreads, and mindless decisions when pinching in Staal would make. Funny how most of that has been eliminated now that Girardi's game has blossomed with McDonagh as his partner instead of Staal!
Excuse me while I die from laughter. Staal is a top 5 defenseman in the league? Look I like Staal, but he is nowhere near top 5. Defensively speaking, he's solid. But he absolutely needs to work on his decision making, far too often he makes terrible reads and pinches and gets caught. He also has poor balance and falls down too much. Offensively speaking, I don't think you'll see an improvement. He's probably topped out in developing. Sorry, I had to chime in when I saw top 5 dman. Flame on
There is no need to. The rest of us will die from laughter after reading your post. Its not that far off. Staal is far as defense is concerned, and last time I checked he is a defenseman is one of the best shut down dmen in the league, easily top 5 in defensive game. Offensively he is average. But again like I said, last time I checked he is a defenseman and there are not many better then him on the defensive side of the game. Until he starts playing LW/C/RW then that is when his offensive game will truly matter.
That time will never come though as far as him playing offense therefore his exceptional defensive capabilities easily make him a top defenseman in this league. Maybe not top 5 yet, more likely top 10, but 5 isnt a terrible stretch of the imagination.
Last edited by Clowe Me Maybe: 11-17-2011 at 08:04 PM.
There is no need to. The rest of us will die from laughter after reading your post. Its not that far off. Staal as far as defense is concerned, and last time I checked he is a defenseman is one of the best shut down dmen in the league, easily top 5 in defensive game. Offensively he is average. But again like I said, last time I checked he is a defenseman and there are not many better then him on the defensive side of the game. Until he starts playing LW/C/RW then that is when his offensive game will truly matter.
That time will never come though as far as him playing offense therefore his exceptional defensive capabilities easily make him a top defenseman in this league. Maybe not top 5 yet, more likely top 10, but 5 isnt a terrible stretch of the imagination.
Try top 15-20 d-men, no better than that dude. Unfortunately for him, there are so many other d-men that are much better than him offensively who are pretty solid defensively which makes those d-men better all around defensemen than Marc Staal is. I probably could come up with 15-20 d-men who are much more well rounded than Staal is and who I would take over him as a result. Look, you have your opinion and I and others have ours. Staal as an all around d-man will never be confused with Chara, Weber, Keith, Lidstrom, Sutter, Pronger, Timonen, Letang, Yandle, Kronwall, Burns, Boyle, Doughty, Phaneuf, Seabrook and Enstrom. He's good for what the Rangers need but he's far from irreplaceable in the future.
Its not that far off. Staal is far as defense is concerned, and last time I checked he is a defenseman is one of the best shut down dmen in the league, easily top 5 in defensive game. Offensively he is average. But again like I said, last time I checked he is a defenseman and there are not many better then him on the defensive side of the game. Until he starts playing LW/C/RW then that is when his offensive game will truly matter. 
