Why so much hate on Lee? I think i am the only one that doesnt want him traded.
No, you certainly aren't the only one. Too many people on this board can't get over the fact that the name Kopitar isn't on the back of his jersey. Others complain that he doesn't have any one part of his game that stands out. In fact he is becoming a good, steady blueliner, and he is still young and on an affordable contract. The team should only trade him if they get an offer that they can't say no to. Of course, that goes for almost any player.
I think the fact that he has that somewhat goofy baby face doesn't help either, but that isn't a great reason to trade someone.
Well personally, I didn't find EK to be that bad, especially not the way some people are making it seem. Poor decisions and seemed kind of slow, but he still played a decent game. Just goes to show you how high level he's been playing thus far.
I wonder what Edmonton would give up to get Lee. What would it take to pry Hemsky off their hands.
I doubt they'd deal Hemsky if they thought they were legit this year, IMO... Edmonton has been out of the playoffs for so long, I'm sure management aren't going to shoot themselves in the foot by trading a vet and risking that. One of those rare cases where the playoff run is more valuable to that particular franchise than the assets for Hemsky would be worth. Maybe not, though...
Although if they WERE to deal Hemsky for Lee+, Lee might be the least valuable asset in a package to acquire him. High pick + Lee or good prospect + Lee
Why so much hate on Lee? I think i am the only one that doesnt want him traded.
I don't think there's SO MUCH hate on Lee, I just think that we're about to be carrying 8 NHL defencemen, and something is going to have to happen sooner or later to fix that.
Lee is just one of the 3 or so names that are in the mix.
If I was Murray I would be very, very careful in terms of dealing Brian Lee. Is his skill set something that can be replaced? Yes it is. Will you find another partner that clicks and works that well with Cowen? Big unknwon. Those two look fantastic together and even the biggest Lee critics have to admit that. They are close to dominating together on the defensive side of things and they can both move the puck to the forwards pretty well.
Ottawa, at this time only has Gryba coming up the pipe line in terms of a RH D man who can play that kind of game. As much as I believe Gryba will be an NHL player (pretty good one) there is no gaurantee he turns out to be as good as Lee is right now. Yah, it's tough to get him into games at times and justify it but right now he's an NHL D man.
In all honesty, my opinion has flip flopped in terms of Carkner vs Lee. Lee is giving the Sens a good 15-20 mins every night and Rundblad is for the most part too. Carkner, while a good player and a decent 6, 7 option will still be called apon to take on the hevay wieghts and on a team that needs stability on the back end all game it's tough to justify a D man going off the ice for 5 min (always more like 6 or 7) and leaving them short handed.
I think people need to stop having the Lee vs Rundblad debate because right now there is a big arguement for both to be in the lineup game in and game out. They will be switching in and out all year long because it's just the nature of the beast.
Long term tough... you have to wonder if trading Lee is the right move. Carkner is probably moving on after this season (I love him but lets call a spade a spade). Kuba is verly likely to do the same. 2, 3 years down the road, this is what the lineup should and probably will look like.
Borowiecki/Karlsson
Cowen/Lee
Phillips/Rundblad
(plug who ever you want in as the 7, 8 guys)
Not sure if you will find a more complete D than that in the NHL. Only thing it may be missing is a little offensive pop on the left side.
So basically, there are other players and prospects that should and could be dealt before they look at moving Lee and there should be serious questions as to whether or not Carkner should get the call before Lee, even as the 7th D man on some nights.
I just really hope people don't flip out when either Lee or Rundblad are scratched. Both guys should be on the Sens long term and this is part of the process of building a winner.
On another note, getting back to the Filatov convo a little, did people see what Butler did last night on the 4th line? He was getting chances and getting in their offensivly. All of the sudden he is on the 2nd PP unit and at times was on the 2nd line. Funny how that works. Good on Butler for getting back into the swing of things and making the Sens a better team because of it.
On another note, getting back to the Filatov convo a little, did people see what Butler did last night on the 4th line? He was getting chances and getting in their offensivly. All of the sudden he is on the 2nd PP unit and at times was on the 2nd line. Funny how that works. Good on Butler for getting back into the swing of things and making the Sens a better team because of it.
I don't think there's SO MUCH hate on Lee, I just think that we're about to be carrying 8 NHL defencemen, and something is going to have to happen sooner or later to fix that.
Lee is just one of the 3 or so names that are in the mix.
While I understand people wanting to trade him now since he currently sits as the 7th/8th defense-men..we could very well use him as a number 6th/7th next year when Kuba and Carkner are off the books.
As of right now what we have next season on D for sure is:
Karlsson
Phillips
Gonchar
Cowen
Rundblad
Going to need an extra person whether that's someone in the market or someone in our system (re-sign Carkner, promote Borocop?).
Having Lee to split the season with someone, and simply to have in case of injury wouldn't be a bad thing.
On another note all of our buyouts are off the book after this season..clearing up 2.3M in cap space.
Last edited by RedWhiteBlackGold: 11-21-2011 at 08:39 AM.
If I was Murray I would be very, very careful in terms of dealing Brian Lee. Is his skill set something that can be replaced? Yes it is. Will you find another partner that clicks and works that well with Cowen? Big unknwon. Those two look fantastic together and even the biggest Lee critics have to admit that. They are close to dominating together on the defensive side of things and they can both move the puck to the forwards pretty well.
Ottawa, at this time only has Gryba coming up the pipe line in terms of a RH D man who can play that kind of game. As much as I believe Gryba will be an NHL player (pretty good one) there is no gaurantee he turns out to be as good as Lee is right now. Yah, it's tough to get him into games at times and justify it but right now he's an NHL D man.
In all honesty, my opinion has flip flopped in terms of Carkner vs Lee. Lee is giving the Sens a good 15-20 mins every night and Rundblad is for the most part too. Carkner, while a good player and a decent 6, 7 option will still be called apon to take on the hevay wieghts and on a team that needs stability on the back end all game it's tough to justify a D man going off the ice for 5 min (always more like 6 or 7) and leaving them short handed.
I think people need to stop having the Lee vs Rundblad debate because right now there is a big arguement for both to be in the lineup game in and game out. They will be switching in and out all year long because it's just the nature of the beast.
Long term tough... you have to wonder if trading Lee is the right move. Carkner is probably moving on after this season (I love him but lets call a spade a spade). Kuba is verly likely to do the same. 2, 3 years down the road, this is what the lineup should and probably will look like.
Borowiecki/Karlsson
Cowen/Lee
Phillips/Rundblad
(plug who ever you want in as the 7, 8 guys)
Not sure if you will find a more complete D than that in the NHL. Only thing it may be missing is a little offensive pop on the left side.
So basically, there are other players and prospects that should and could be dealt before they look at moving Lee and there should be serious questions as to whether or not Carkner should get the call before Lee, even as the 7th D man on some nights.
I just really hope people don't flip out when either Lee or Rundblad are scratched. Both guys should be on the Sens long term and this is part of the process of building a winner.
I agree with this lineup. IMO I see Carkner, Kuba, Gonchar and Gryba(RFA), Schira(Europe) not with this team next year. The game has changed in Ottawa where tough defence doesn't really have a place, but there are a lot of good teams who want good solid d-men(Kuba??).
Add to this that there are a few good d-men coming down the college pipeline ottawa will need to make room in Bingo. Wiercioch(even though his defence is brutal) has being racking up some points on the PP so I see him as the next call up after Boro.
Great game by the Sens last night, very unlucky and Schneider was sensational. If Luongo was in it would have been a Sens win.
I really like how The Stache moved Butler up and noticed that doughnut hole which is the 2nd line, sandwiched between two lines that are producing. I liked how he put Michalek on Alfie's line. I don't want to come off as criticising Alfie, but there have been instances where he plays down to what he percieves to be the level of his line. Watching every single game I kinda sense that from him. I really believe that he wants to be on the 1st line but is being a good captain and doing what he can with his linemates. There was no coincidence, however, once a pplayer he percieves as being at his level, that he clearly picked his game up. I hope they continue the next game with Michalek-DaCosta-Alfie.
I have a hard time blaming DaCosta, the guy is still making slick plays and getting the pucl to his wingers...it is a lot to ask of him and he should develop in Bingo.
Loved our defensive coverage last night, they all played well as a unit. Karlsson has lost confidence in his shooting ability...I hope it doesn't manifest in all his other skills which have been 1st team All-Star so far.
Clearly something has changed with the officiating standards of the boarding major. No need to preach to the choir here about Alberts on Daugavins.
I think Burrows should get fined or suspended. the TV evidence clearly shows him and Lapierre setting up Winnie and there is no denying his hand was on the handle in the door. What a disgusting play by two rats.
Great games to watch, these guys came back and earned a point on the road in the 3rd period, lovely stuff.
He struggled the last time he came back and I expect they are exposing Lee to scouts.
I really don't subscribe to the idea teams showcase players like Lee for a potential trade. According to reports Murray has no intention of trading any defencemen at this time, even when Carkner is ready to return.
The reason Rundblad is sitting is really quite simple, he just wasn't getting the job done. While there is no questioning his offensive skills or his willingness to be physical, he needs to learn to read the play quicker and make the safer play.
Now that the Sens have lost a game, we may see Rundblad against Pittsburgh, though I think the Carolina game is the more likely timing for Rundblad's return.
1. Put Alfie on the top PP unit, no more of this second unit BS, he's still our best forward and our PP needs a spark right now.
2. Brian Lee was brutal last night, Murray must just be thinking "Can you please play 2 straight games of mistake free hockey with some sort of presence on the ice so I make your wish and my wish come true and trade you"
3. De Costa was way in over his head with Vancouver, a big, fast team. He seems to have hit a plateau.
4. Greening looks to be getting his speed back, he seemed to be a bit slower versus EDM and Calgary since he was injured a few games ago, maybe those 4 days off helped him heal a bit.
5. Michalek's backhander is on every teams scouting list, he needs a new move. Schneider was all over that move even though #9 executed it almost perfectly.
1. Put Alfie on the top PP unit, no more of this second unit BS, he's still our best forward and our PP needs a spark right now.
2. Brian Lee was brutal last night, Murray must just be thinking "Can you please play 2 straight games of mistake free hockey with some sort of presence on the ice so I make your wish and my wish come true and trade you"
3. De Costa was way in over his head with Vancouver, a big, fast team. He seems to have hit a plateau.
4. Greening looks to be getting his speed back, he seemed to be a bit slower versus EDM and Calgary since he was injured a few games ago, maybe those 4 days off helped him heal a bit.
5. Michalek's backhander is on every teams scouting list, he needs a new move. Schneider was all over that move even though #9 executed it almost perfectly.
I'm not a Lee lover or hater, but what are you talking about? I fail to see how anyone could have watched that game and not come to the conclusison that a Lee/Cowen pairing was able to keep the pucks out of the defensive zone, move it up to the forwards when they had to, and pretty much play a very solid and effiecent all around game.
Great game by the Sens last night, very unlucky and Schneider was sensational. If Luongo was in it would have been a Sens win.
I really like how The Stache moved Butler up and noticed that doughnut hole which is the 2nd line, sandwiched between two lines that are producing. I liked how he put Michalek on Alfie's line. I don't want to come off as criticising Alfie, but there have been instances where he plays down to what he percieves to be the level of his line. Watching every single game I kinda sense that from him. I really believe that he wants to be on the 1st line but is being a good captain and doing what he can with his linemates. There was no coincidence, however, once a pplayer he percieves as being at his level, that he clearly picked his game up. I hope they continue the next game with Michalek-DaCosta-Alfie.
I have a hard time blaming DaCosta, the guy is still making slick plays and getting the pucl to his wingers...it is a lot to ask of him and he should develop in Bingo.
Loved our defensive coverage last night, they all played well as a unit. Karlsson has lost confidence in his shooting ability...I hope it doesn't manifest in all his other skills which have been 1st team All-Star so far.
Clearly something has changed with the officiating standards of the boarding major. No need to preach to the choir here about Alberts on Daugavins.
I think Burrows should get fined or suspended. the TV evidence clearly shows him and Lapierre setting up Winnie and there is no denying his hand was on the handle in the door. What a disgusting play by two rats.
Great games to watch, these guys came back and earned a point on the road in the 3rd period, lovely stuff.
Couple of comments, I really thought Karlsson struggled last night, he just couldn't get much to work for him. He also didn't seem to have the jump in his skating he normally does.
Secondly, Da Costa is the main reason the second line is struggling. While he does make some pretty plays, he just isn't distributing the puck quickly enough to allow his wingers to maintain speed into the offensive zone. How many times a game do you see Foligno and Alfie having to stop at the blueline waiting. He also isn't improving defensively to any great degree. He really needs sometime to adjust to pro hockey, a stint in the AHL would do wonders for the kid.
I'm not a Lee lover or hater, but what are you talking about? I fail to see how anyone could have watched that game and not come to the conclusison that a Lee/Cowen pairing was able to keep the pucks out of the defensive zone, move it up to the forwards when they had to, and pretty much play a very solid and effiecent all around game.
I agree, some fans just want to bash Lee because they think it will gain immediate acceptance or something.
Lee and Cowen played very well, as a matter of fact the defence as a whole played well, even though I thought Karlsson wasn't at his best. The best chances the Canucks had was when they were shorthanded, their only goal came on the PP and that shot was tipped by Winchester.
Even though I thought the Sens forwards didn't get much going, they still had enough opportunities to win the game.
