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11-21-2011, 08:45 AM
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I understand that Crosby isn't exactly a fan favorite around here, but this is a big deal.

He's the best player in the league. Bar none. He hasn't played competitive hockey in over 10 months, and has had his in injury status dissected to the core since it occurred.

I'm honestly shocked that they aren't making a bigger deal of this, having press conferences and whatnot. Thankfully for us, Crosby is relatively reserved when it comes to the media and prefers to stay away. There's a reason he hasn't been on the cover a hockey game, yet.

Back on the topic of his return, I, personally, agree with the move to put NYI/PIT on over MTL/BOS. Yes, it's a fantastic rivalry, but they're guaranteed to play again, at least 6 times in a season. How many times does the best player on the face of the planet return from a 10 month injury?

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The fact is the NHL shouldn't be marketing itself as a one super talent league like the NBA does with Lebron James.

But they do. Even though hockey is much, much more of a team sport.

And marketing Crosby hasn't turned the league into a monster, it's still the niche 4th sport in America AND it always will be.

So now we go back to focusing on Crosby when there's tons of other great players who get the shaft. And what good does it do for the game? Nothing.

Also, according to the main boards, they didn't do anything like this when Lemiuex came back.

Edit: Seriously. Thinking about it makes me upset. I understand why they do it and why they think it's a good idea, but it really isn't. The only thing slightly similar to this the NFL has done was with Brett Favre's retirement. We haven't had massive conferences on the status of Peyton Manning or anything like that. It's a flaw the NHL seems perfectly fine with keeping, and instead of marketing the various great players in the league, they market one, sometimes two (when Ovechkin is playing like Ovechkin.)

None of my friends have ever heard of Crosby, or even care about hockey. Stop making it seem like he's bigger than the game itself.


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He was. Who knows if he will be after this injury.
Fair enough. I was just making the point that, no matter who the player is, the best players in hockey will always get special treatment from the refs. The best players are typically also extremely competitive people, and therefore will complain to the refs a lot. That's just part of the game. They get away with it when lesser players might not because the refs respect them because of their ability.

Gretzky and Lemieux did it. Jaromir Jagr did it earlier in his career, before he started forcing penalties on his own anyway. I bet Bobby Orr and Bobby Hull did it too.

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I'm used to watching MLS at this point, where star players get worked over more by the refs because they are foreigners.

But the truth is that star players should be able to be star players while enduring the garbage that everyone else does. If Crosby had to take the same abuse as Avery, I bet he would still be a top player.

Of course, now that he has had this concussion, anyone that makes so much as a sour face in his direction will get a 5 minute major.

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Yeah, I wasn't saying that I personally think that Crosby should get treated differently. Just saying that this is the way it is and always has been.

The funny thing is that, for all the criticism of Crosby here on the Rangers boards, Messier "whined" to the refs WAY more than Crosby does. When Messier did it, we proudly called it gamesmanship. When Crosby does it, it's whining.

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Callahan has been whining more this year, as well.

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What do Messier, Crosby and Callahan have in common? It couldn't be the captaincy, could it?

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Crosby is a UFA in 2013, just saying.

He does tend to get a twinkle in his eyes when he plays at MSG.

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Crosby is a star, all sports needs stars. Just sucks when the star is on an opposing team.
Glad he is back, hopefully he is fully recovered.

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It's going to be a week or two until Crosby is playing 22 mins a night. Bylsma said on OTF that he was going to play 12 mins against the Icelanders.

What's getting lost in all this is Capuano calling out his team publicly. The Isles are not going to bend over for pomp and ceremony. Cranston Jack is going to get a new team tonight, and I expect Okposo to be in the lineup.

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Crosby is a UFA in 2013, just saying.

He does tend to get a twinkle in his eyes when he plays at MSG.
So does that mean he's going to sign a 15 year contract with the New Jersey Devils?

Kidding aside, the Penguins would trade Malkin before they even entertain the thought of letting Crosby get to UFA status if he comes back firing on all cylinders.

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Yes they would.

The only way Crosby gets to UFA is if there is some reason he wants to play in a particular place. The Pens would easily give him league max if he asked for it. As would many teams.

I only say this because you notice that Crosby had his contract set, like Bouwmeester and Parise, so that he would expire his very first year of UFA eligibility. Part of that is bargaining power.

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He's the best player in the league. Bar none.
Or he is the second best player on his team?

When Pittsburg won the cup it was Malkin carrying them. Malkin is the last of the two to win a Hart Trophy. Etc. Just saying.

The thing is, he's Canadian and Malkin and AO are Russian. The russian kids are trashed for anything they do, Crosby cries and dives constantly, and is nothing but praised for it and gets a special threatment.

And its pretty obvious too. You can't fault people for being a little "sick" of his threament.

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Sports fans don't care less. If you do what Boston did in 2004 or the Giants in 2007, it just makes it a little sweeter. But winning four rounds of postseason play in hockey is something that cant be "tainted". The whole "tainted" thing is garbage anyway. The Pens lost in 2010 to the Habs. Whose to say the Pens would have advanced deep with Crosby in 2011.
I'm not sure what "sports fans" have to do with it, or what whole tainted thing you are referring to. I wasn't speaking for sports fans; just myself, and I'm only too proud to see things differently than the average sports fan. I doubt the average Bruin fan would agree with me and say they feel like their cup win doesn't mean as much, either, but I know that's how I'd feel if the Rangers won the Cup when the best team in the conference, if not the league, was without its best player.

If the Rangers win the Cup, I want them to slay the biggest demons, not go through some detours to do it.

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the only thing that could taint or tarnish a championship season if its marred by scandal or illegality. The 2010 Bruins or the 1994 rangers or the 1994 Rockets arent remembered as "the Champions who won because so-and-so was injured"
I don't really care how the Rockets are remembered, because I was there, and I know that they won the NBA championship when the best player in the game wasn't playing the game. There's nothing they could do about it, of course, but I just don't understand how people can hate the best player in the league so much that they don't want to see him play. That only takes away from any potential success your own team can achieve. IMO, the best part about disliking a player/team is seeing your team defeat him/them, not having him sit out on the sidelines.

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But besides the marketing, the league protects Crosby to a sickening extent. Now star players are going to get special treatment in almost every league, but the amount Crosby gets actually takes away and hinders my excitement for the game.

On top of all that, he is one of the whiniest players in the game, even though he gets coddled more-so than anyone. I also find his constant slewfoots rather cheap.

So call me crazy, but i couldn't care less if he was injured.

And that cup win doesn't mean any less.
I don't think he gets treatment that's any different from other players of his stature in the NHL or NBA, and that's something I've accepted long ago as a part of sports. I'd rather see him play the game better than anyone else in the world while receiving some BS calls here and there than not play at all. He is a whiner, and he is a cheap player, but that probably doesn't stop you from watching or rooting for Rangers who are guilty of those things, too.

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Or he is the second best player on his team?

When Pittsburg won the cup it was Malkin carrying them. Malkin is the last of the two to win a Hart Trophy. Etc. Just saying.

The thing is, he's Canadian and Malkin and AO are Russian. The russian kids are trashed for anything they do, Crosby cries and dives constantly, and is nothing but praised for it and gets a special threatment.

And its pretty obvious too. You can't fault people for being a little "sick" of his threament.
Crosby was running away with the scoring race the last time he played... and probably the far-and-away MVP up until that point. Just saying.

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Anybody notice how hockey's future thinks Zach Stepan is Dereks' brother, not his cousin?

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...chool_players/

how hard is that to get right?

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Anaheim put Matt Beleskey on waivers. Would be a better 13th forward than Christensen IMO. Brings more grit to the table and if he could find his offensive game again, could be a solid waiver claim. Decent scrapper too.

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Anaheim put Matt Beleskey on waivers. Would be a better 13th forward than Christensen IMO. Brings more grit to the table and if he could find his offensive game again, could be a solid waiver claim. Decent scrapper too.
Would be funny if we claimed him. That would be the second scrap piece we've taken from Anaheim in as many years.

Fitzy, I see what you're saying. Crosby has a good agent. By all accounts he's happy in Pittsburgh, but if he finds himself unhappy, he can get out and sign elsewhere with the deal he signed that would get him to UFA status sooner.

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Anybody notice how hockey's future thinks Zach Stepan is Dereks' brother, not his cousin?

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...chool_players/

how hard is that to get right?
I emailed Blake, he told me he noticed his mistake and has already submitted the correction to HF.

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The Atlantic division board on hfboards is one of the most knowledgeable hockey demographics out there.

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Would be funny if we claimed him. That would be the second scrap piece we've taken from Anaheim in as many years.
Eh, I wouldn't say he's scrap. He's a decent bottom six guy who has the potential to step into a bigger role if he can find his game again.

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I emailed him as well. haha

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I'm not sure what "sports fans" have to do with it, or what whole tainted thing you are referring to. I wasn't speaking for sports fans; just myself, and I'm only too proud to see things differently than the average sports fan. I doubt the average Bruin fan would agree with me and say they feel like their cup win doesn't mean as much, either, but I know that's how I'd feel if the Rangers won the Cup when the best team in the conference, if not the league, was without its best player.

If the Rangers win the Cup, I want them to slay the biggest demons, not go through some detours to do it.

I don't really care how the Rockets are remembered, because I was there, and I know that they won the NBA championship when the best player in the game wasn't playing the game. There's nothing they could do about it, of course, but I just don't understand how people can hate the best player in the league so much that they don't want to see him play. That only takes away from any potential success your own team can achieve. IMO, the best part about disliking a player/team is seeing your team defeat him/them, not having him sit out on the sidelines.

I don't think he gets treatment that's any different from other players of his stature in the NHL or NBA, and that's something I've accepted long ago as a part of sports. I'd rather see him play the game better than anyone else in the world while receiving some BS calls here and there than not play at all. He is a whiner, and he is a cheap player, but that probably doesn't stop you from watching or rooting for Rangers who are guilty of those things, too.
You were a Rangers fan in 1994. At what point did you feel that season/Cup run was tainted. I can only go by what you said. You said "If I was a Bruins fan..." Well, the situations are exactly alike.

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