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Markham, Ontario planning to build a 19,000 seat arena
I don't see anything wrong with the idea. If developers are going to be building Condo's adjacent to the complex, asking developers to earmark $2,500 per unit toward arena construction sounds like a great idea. Afterall they will probably be using the complex as a selling point to people looking to buy the condo's.
I agree when they start asking developers to help flip part of the bill it is clearly that this so called arena in markham has gone way over the 300 million dollar budget they set & what did they expect there is no way they could build an arena with all the bells & whistles in place likeToronto (GTA.) for only 300 million dollars my guess this idea going to die just like Vaughan & Downsview did .
Markham Town Council held a closed door meeting on the proposed arena today, but as CTV's Austin Delaney found out, the Councillors weren't talking other than to say "no decision has been made" on whether to go ahead with the project.
Markham Town Council held a closed door meeting on the proposed arena today, but as CTV's Austin Delaney found out, the Councillors weren't talking other than to say "no decision has been made" on whether to go ahead with the project.
"However, they cited traffic concerns as the arena's main issue.
"I'm all for it but the infrastructure would have to be there first," one resident said.
"I think it'll be difficult with traffic, with more people coming into the suburbs, but I think it would be great to have a local team here," another said.
yup, basically what everyone has been sayin.. traffic will be an excuse not to go to the arena..
i have a feeling Markham decides to go with a 8000-10000 seater instead rather than 18000..
"However, they cited traffic concerns as the arena's main issue.
"I'm all for it but the infrastructure would have to be there first," one resident said.
"I think it'll be difficult with traffic, with more people coming into the suburbs, but I think it would be great to have a local team here," another said.
yup, basically what everyone has been sayin.. traffic will be an excuse not to go to the arena..
i have a feeling Markham decides to go with a 8000-10000 seater instead rather than 18000..
It would make more sense. It doesn't go in direct competition against the ACC (which I believe they would be on the losing side even with all the bells and whistles), it would fill an actual need and leave open the possibility of a junior team coming to the area...
"However, they cited traffic concerns as the arena's main issue.
"I'm all for it but the infrastructure would have to be there first," one resident said.
"I think it'll be difficult with traffic, with more people coming into the suburbs, but I think it would be great to have a local team here," another said.
yup, basically what everyone has been sayin.. traffic will be an excuse not to go to the arena..
i have a feeling Markham decides to go with a 8000-10000 seater instead rather than 18000..
Based on... what exactly?
The site isn't ideal, but mostly because of its geographic location (northeast corner of the GTA, as supposed to something more central), not the surrounding infrastructure. It is directly adjacent to the 407 with exits to both Kennedy and Warden in close proximately, both major arterials. It is also adjacent to the Uxbridge sub, steps away from Unionville GO Station.
In many ways, the site is better located than a certain other major arena in the area.
The site isn't ideal, but mostly because of its geographic location (northeast corner of the GTA, as supposed to something more central), not the surrounding infrastructure. It is directly adjacent to the 407 with exits to both Kennedy and Warden in close proximately, both major arterials. It is also adjacent to the Uxbridge sub, steps away from Unionville GO Station.
In many ways, the site is better located than a certain other major arena in the area.
So true and its not like that arena is even viable in 10 years.
I don't it will get built because of a few things one Markham is a bad location to build an arena that size because every other major league sports teams stadium or arena is always built in a centralized location & markham is not a centrelized location , the price tag it will cost way more than just 300 million to build an arena that size with all the bells & whistles in the GTA. more like 400 - 450 million , From what I read on some Toronto media sites most people in Markham don't want it & with MGM planning to build a casino & resort in the GTA. maybe in Markham I just don't see it happening .
We will all know in 9 days that we have known for the past year that Katz\AEG. will take over HECFI. & in my opinion one step closer to an NHL. team for Hamilton .
Hamilton has literally nothing to do with Markham.
Markham and Hamilton are obviously both interested in landing an NHL team, but do you really, honestly think that both will be successful in the near future? Southern Ontario may very well be able to sustain three NHL teams, and I think they could likely sustain four teams, but there's a difference between being able to and being given the opportunity to do so. With opposition from the Leafs (and the Sabres for Hamilton) in the BoG, either would be an uphill climb regardless of if we're talking about an expansion or relocation. I could see one being forced onto the Leafs, but two? No chance at all. Their sway in the BoG is way too strong.
As I've pooh-poohed in past discussions about the idea of Hamilton being a temporary home for a team before moving to Markham (and likening it to Memphis fans not embracing the Oilers when they played there temporarily before moving to Nashville to become the Titans), an NHL team in Markham will absolutely kill the chances of Hamilton getting a team, and vice versa.
Yes. Markham is on the rise. This is all part of a new downtown markham complex. Markham I think is the 4th largest GTA municipality. My city Hamilton, is still hoping that copps will be a good enough homes. Even though if we were awarded a team we would be talking about a new arena within 10 years.
Markham and Hamilton are obviously both interested in landing an NHL team, but do you really, honestly think that both will be successful in the near future? Southern Ontario may very well be able to sustain three NHL teams, and I think they could likely sustain four teams, but there's a difference between being able to and being given the opportunity to do so. With opposition from the Leafs (and the Sabres for Hamilton) in the BoG, either would be an uphill climb regardless of if we're talking about an expansion or relocation. I could see one being forced onto the Leafs, but two? No chance at all. Their sway in the BoG is way too strong.
As I've pooh-poohed in past discussions about the idea of Hamilton being a temporary home for a team before moving to Markham (and likening it to Memphis fans not embracing the Oilers when they played there temporarily before moving to Nashville to become the Titans), an NHL team in Markham will absolutely kill the chances of Hamilton getting a team, and vice versa.
Hamilton is a better location for sure, but the Sabres will always be a concern.
Hamilton is a better location for sure, but the Sabres will always be a concern.
And, truth be told, I think that the path of least resistance might be through Markham, as much as that may suck for Hamilton fans. Sure, significantly closer to the juggernaut that is the Maple Leafs, but a Markham-based team would only have to overcome the opposition of one NHL team, whereas Hamilton would have to deal with two. Add to that the fact that the NHL doesn't seem at all interested in Copps and Markham may be on the verge of getting a new arena, and that could be a major factor in determining which, if either, market eventually gets a team.
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Originally Posted by Steve55
I think the Leafs would be up in arms about an NHL sized Markham arena (only 40 km away from ACC) Check the google maps.
A team can't block the construction of a building, but they'll certainly be working their butts off to try to prevent a team from ever landing there.
There is no legal precedent to stop arena construction.
They certainly do (as by NHL guidelines) have the ability to stop a team from moving in. The question is, do Rogers/Bell stand to gain more from a second team than just one team?
I'd assume ticket prices stay the same regardless.
But having no team in the new arena means there's 41 (+playoffs and preseason) dates where the arena is empty vs. having a team. Those are 41+ days that'll be filled with concerts/trade show/etc. Now that will damage the ACC financially.
Maybe letting Markham have a team is the lesser of two evils.
With Katz\AEG. about to take over HECFI. Hamilton is one step closer top landing an NHL. team & it would not surprise me if Katz \ AEG. have already found a prospective owner with deep pockets for an NHL. team in Hamilton & lets not forget Copps Coilseum can last another 40 years with the right renovations that would cost around 150 million but there was rumors when Katz\AEG. business all started that they wanted to build a new NHL. size arena in Hamilton but I guess we will find out what there plans are on April 27 .
And, truth be told, I think that the path of least resistance might be through Markham, as much as that may suck for Hamilton fans. Sure, significantly closer to the juggernaut that is the Maple Leafs, but a Markham-based team would only have to overcome the opposition of one NHL team, whereas Hamilton would have to deal with two. Add to that the fact that the NHL doesn't seem at all interested in Copps and Markham may be on the verge of getting a new arena, and that could be a major factor in determining which, if either, market eventually gets a team.
All true, but I've been clinging on to the hopes that 2 GTA arenas would not be viable as they'd both hurt each other. That was the recent discussion on radio here when they mentioned how 15 years ago the Raptors were going to build their own arena, but both the Leafs and Raptors conceded that having 2 arenas would hurt both of them.
Copps Coliseum already exists, is up-gradable, and while next to the giant GTA, it is a very distinct, non-Toronto city that would prevent it from being considered Toronto's 2nd team.
Now if MLSE was convinced a 2nd team was coming to the GTA and they wanted to stop construction of a competing GTA arena, would they help with the Buffalo conundrum?
As I've said, i'm a wishful thinker.
Also, keep in mind that in about 9 days, we' will find out if Katz/AEG will get control of Coppps Coliseum.
