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11-24-2011, 06:09 PM
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It better be relocation and not expansion,league is watered down now at 30,please no more expansion,if anything they should relocate and get rid of teams,it would make the league much better

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11-24-2011, 08:33 PM
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I'd certainly love to see another NHL team in the GTA, but do I think it'll actually happen? No. Like most of you, I can't imagine the Leafs will allow another team so close to Toronto. Markham is just north of the city, and I can't see them agreeing to have another team in their turf, especially since they were opposed to having a team in Hamilton.

I'd certainly love to see another team in the GTA. It says a lot when it's actually more cheaper for me to drive down to Bufallo and catch a Sabres game than it is to take the subway and see a Leafs game at the ACC -- that is, if I'm even lucky enough to even get a ticket.

But, I think if anyone is going to get another team in Canada, I like many of you think it'll be Quebec City. They just need to get off their butts and start building that new arena.

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11-24-2011, 09:30 PM
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Classy move by Bissonette.

That said, maybe those 100 could pool their resources and make an offer on the team.

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11-25-2011, 10:45 AM
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PS In attendance at last nights Coyotes game were 100 homeless people brought to the game as a goodwill gesture. You just can't make stuff like this up.
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And I heard it was $1 beer and hotdog night too.
Letting homeless people into the game, and letting them binge of booze for a buck a piece! Brilliant!

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11-25-2011, 11:06 AM
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Letting homeless people into the game, and letting them binge of booze for a buck a piece! Brilliant!
I'm glad someone made that connection.

While it's all well and good to entertain this disadvantaged group, how does this help the team?

"Come to the 'yotes, maybe you can sit next to the squeegee kid you flipped the bird at the other day". Really if anything this could turn off fans in the short term.

BizNasty shoulda done something with schoolkids or a handicapped service organization, at least then it MAY do something to build the fanbase with a group that may have some disposable income to spend on the team.

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11-25-2011, 08:50 PM
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How close is the population between the two areas?
Toronto Metro has about 5.5 mil since last census, might be pushing 6 million now

NYC Metro about 19 million.

Toronto Centric folk may not like to hear this but they're not in NYC league on a variety of fronts - neither are most cities; London and Tokyo don't take a back seat to NY and maybe a couple other Asian cities but that's about it.

Comparable cities to TO would be Boston, Dallas, Philadelphia.

Back to the topic: Quebec City will be/should be the next Canadian team in the NHL.

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11-27-2011, 11:21 AM
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Only 10K in Glendale where the Coyotes played the Star's last night, two pretty good teams, Saturday night, no traffic should be no excuses for lack of support.

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11-27-2011, 11:55 AM
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Toronto Metro has about 5.5 mil since last census, might be pushing 6 million now

NYC Metro about 19 million.

Toronto Centric folk may not like to hear this but they're not in NYC league on a variety of fronts - neither are most cities; London and Tokyo don't take a back seat to NY and maybe a couple other Asian cities but that's about it.

Comparable cities to TO would be Boston, Dallas, Philadelphia.

Back to the topic: Quebec City will be/should be the next Canadian team in the NHL.
A reasonable comparison would be Chicago having two MLB teams. Toronto is still smaller than Chicago but an NHL arena seats less than a baseball stadium and has fewer games.

In terms of who deserves a team more, I suppose Quebec City is underserved. However if they continue to bicker with the Federal government to get funding for an arena (not sure where that's at now), they don't have any sympathy from me.


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11-27-2011, 12:55 PM
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Toronto Metro has about 5.5 mil since last census, might be pushing 6 million now

NYC Metro about 19 million.

Toronto Centric folk may not like to hear this but they're not in NYC league on a variety of fronts - neither are most cities; London and Tokyo don't take a back seat to NY and maybe a couple other Asian cities but that's about it.

Comparable cities to TO would be Boston, Dallas, Philadelphia.

Back to the topic: Quebec City will be/should be the next Canadian team in the NHL.
Toronto metro is around 5,850,000.

Oshawa metro is 369,000.

Hamilton metro is 745,000.

The true Toronto metro is 6,964,000 people.

That's excluding places like London, KWG, and Niagara Falls. Include those and that's another 1.5 million.

The GTHA is absolutely massive.

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11-27-2011, 03:15 PM
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Only 10K in Glendale where the Coyotes played the Star's last night, two pretty good teams, Saturday night, no traffic should be no excuses for lack of support.
Having desert dogs in the nhl keeps the salary cap lower lol

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11-28-2011, 09:24 PM
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A reasonable comparison would be Chicago having two MLB teams. Toronto is still smaller than Chicago but an NHL arena seats less than a baseball stadium and has fewer games.

In terms of who deserves a team more, I suppose Quebec City is underserved. However if they continue to bicker with the Federal government to get funding for an arena (not sure where that's at now), they don't have any sympathy from me.
Good Point. To add to this the Bay Area (SF,Oakland, SJ) also has two football and two baseball teams and it too is larger than Toronto(GTA). I just can't see Toronto getting another team in the near future - to many conflicting interests in the area to meddle in this and cause endless stalemates.

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11-28-2011, 09:34 PM
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Toronto metro is around 5,850,000.

Oshawa metro is 369,000.

Hamilton metro is 745,000.

The true Toronto metro is 6,964,000 people.

That's excluding places like London, KWG, and Niagara Falls. Include those and that's another 1.5 million.

The GTHA is absolutely massive.
I'm using generally accepted metro numbers, to use your definition. Chicago has almost 11 million people in the metro. But I could say, well Milwaukee is kinda close(which it is) and it has 1.7 million in its metro so I'll just tack this on to Chicago's Population and call it all of it Chicagoland.

I am not trying to diminish Toronto size, I've been there and yes it and the region is very large. But if one has blinders on (not necessarily you) one tends to adopt the whole TO is the centre of the universe mindset all the while not realizing how large some of the other cities in N America are. If I say Houston Tx, what springs to mind, Oil, Hurricanes, Humidity....yes its all those things but its also a metro of almost 6 million people.

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11-29-2011, 07:46 AM
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The league will not damage Buffalo by putting a team in Hamilton/SO.

Quebec City is the next Canadian city to get a franchise relocated.

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11-29-2011, 10:30 AM
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I'm using generally accepted metro numbers, to use your definition. Chicago has almost 11 million people in the metro. But I could say, well Milwaukee is kinda close(which it is) and it has 1.7 million in its metro so I'll just tack this on to Chicago's Population and call it all of it Chicagoland.
Metro numbers aren't a practical metric. It's all about supply and demand. Atlanta could have 20 million people and less of them would be tuning in to an NHL game on a given night than there are in Winnipeg.

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11-29-2011, 02:49 PM
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I would gladly cheer for the new Toronto team just to screw over the Leafs

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I dont think you are alone and that's exactly why TO doesn't want a new team

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It's a done deal

To fill everyone in the deal to jettison the Coyotes out of Pheonix is as good as done. Q: Where? A: Quebec City 2012

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To fill everyone in the deal to jettison the Coyotes out of Pheonix is as good as done. Q: Where? A: Quebec City 2012
Umm okay. You got some tangible proof that this is the case for certain?

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11-30-2011, 06:50 AM
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To fill everyone in the deal to jettison the Coyotes out of Pheonix is as good as done. Q: Where? A: Quebec City 2012
Link?

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11-30-2011, 08:04 AM
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I am hoping that QC is playing in 2012-2013.

The hopefully Hamilton!!!

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It better be relocation and not expansion,league is watered down now at 30,please no more expansion,if anything they should relocate and get rid of teams,it would make the league much better
This, for sure.

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To fill everyone in the deal to jettison the Coyotes out of Pheonix is as good as done. Q: Where? A: Quebec City 2012
okay guys i know the world will end in 2012, i dont have proof, and all other doomsayers were wrong before me, but cmon trust me!

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11-30-2011, 08:39 PM
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Journel de Quebéc

Il travaille dans les coulisses. N'avez-vous pas lu le journal?! Sheesh
Decision will be in December

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11-30-2011, 08:55 PM
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Journel de Quebéc

Il travaille dans les coulisses. N'avez-vous pas lu le journal?! Sheesh
Decision will be in December
Do they have a potential owner or is the ROC supposed to pick up the tab?

By the way, the ROC is who those in Quebec City expect to pick up the majority of arena construction costs, we'll see how well that goes.


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Journel de Quebéc

Il travaille dans les coulisses. N'avez-vous pas lu le journal?! Sheesh
Decision will be in December
I can't read that. It's in some foreign language

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