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03-15-2012, 07:05 AM
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1) If it's Putin-influenced... well, we will lose Sochi. That's counter-productive and seems to be stupid. Putin isn't dumb. I don't believe it (Putin telling Kuznetsov to stay). Something is lost in translation. Maybe ppl around Kuznetsov are telling him such BS. That's possible.

2) Sport-Express's hockey analytics are... subpar, I would say. They like to speculate. And Malamud is essentially = same source. And also Sport-Express is guided by KHL, that's my strong opinion. It's corrupt! ))

I will wait till something is signed by EK.


PS: He isn't physically ready anyway. I guess Orlov was much better prepared in that department from the start. But the whole situation is concerning. Kuznetsov is talking too much for my liking. That's a bit of a trouble but if he still can be effective for his club - maybe it's not that bad in the end.


Only a moron really believes Putin would interfere and force A HOCKEY PLAYER to stay. This blame-it-on-Putin attitude is childish. So I agree.

2.Speculations is what sports press lives of. The "corruption" thing is really ridic though. Some journalists may be biased this way or the other but there is no such thing as KHL influenced press.

Kuz does talk alot but that who he is. You can't change a man overnight. This is why Tarasenko was captain on the junior NT.

And let's stop talking about "physically ready", because he is. This is a NA thnig to believe european player would be "weak". Go ask some guys hit by Emelin if he didn't learn to be physical in the KHL.

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who do you now McPhee is losing now? thats very subjective
?? don't understand your question?

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03-15-2012, 08:01 AM
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this is pretty bad news... but what is Kuzn suppose to say, his team in in the middle of the playoff run. Ill wait untill he signs a contract to press the panic button. I still think there is a chance we see him over here. Let Ovechkin do som recuriting and lets see how the caps do in the playoffs. Alot can change in the next couple months

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03-15-2012, 08:20 AM
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?? don't understand your question?
Sorry big fail on my part, supposed to be:

HOW do you know McPhee is losing now?

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03-15-2012, 08:22 AM
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2.Speculations is what sports press lives of. The "corruption" thing is really ridic though. Some journalists may be biased this way or the other but there is no such thing as KHL influenced press.
We should agree to disagree on this topic.

My sources tell me the picture is different. I mean Sport-Express is financially interested in being pro-KHL.

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03-15-2012, 08:58 AM
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So very disappointing to hear the news about Kuz. That's about all I can say because although I'm aware of the KHL I just don't know enough about the whole situation.

Someone mentioned Emelin in this thread I believe. Is it not true that the only reason he came over this time was because the Canadiens included a clause whereby he would never be sent to the AHL affiliate and he could also opt back to the KHL at any time? And if true I certainly don't hold it against him because I believe he demanded it in the best interest of his family.

Having said all that I've always admired anyone making a move and facing new lifestyle, cultural challenges and language barriers especially when changing continents and / or countries. May sound strange but it's a reason why I'm a fan of certain players. To pick up and leave family and friends for a new opportunity is risky and takes guts, at least to me.

Anyway..........good luck Kuz and hope you find your way to North America sometime. Talk to Dima some more. LOL

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03-15-2012, 08:59 AM
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In fairness...I've been wanting him traded him for a year and a half now, while his value was the highest.

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03-15-2012, 09:16 AM
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Don't care, don't really think it's an issue. If he comes, great. If not, fine.

Who knows in a season or two.

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Don't care, don't really think it's an issue. If he comes, great. If not, fine.

Who knows in a season or two.
i agree completely. as long as the Caps own his rights, i have no issue with him staying in Russia while he improves, and one day if he comes over hopefully he'll be a more ready and complete player.

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03-15-2012, 01:34 PM
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He'll be over eventually. Give him a few years to win a few scoring titles and the Gagarin cup.


Btw, can he sign a 2 year ELC? Or is that only for UFA's?

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Vladimir Putin's hair looks so soft and downy, like that of a baby duck. I can't imagine that he would ever hurt anyone.

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03-15-2012, 05:37 PM
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Btw, can he sign a 2 year ELC? Or is that only for UFA's?
Only for UFAs.

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18-21yos sign three-year ELCs, 22/23yos sign for two-years and 24yo first-time signees sign one-year ELCs.

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This blows...

So much for Ovy pulling in all the Russians. More like running away from DC...


Another McPhee blunder.

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This blows...

So much for Ovy pulling in all the Russians. More like running away from DC...


Another McPhee blunder.
I've never understood this allure with playing with Ovi. You'd always be in his shadow and for guys as competitive as NHLers...you'd think that wouldn't sit well with them.

Besides that, this isn't McPhee's fault. The team was doing great when we picked Kuz and the assumption would be he'd just add to an already stacked team. The potential reward was worth the gamble and to be honest...its not as if he's never coming over. Heck, he could STILL come over next year. It all depends on what plays out over the summer.

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I don't know personally I can't really fault Mcphee here at the time the organization was at a place where they could afford to take the gamble. It's not like he's never coming either.

If I had to choose and if I was aware of what Kuznetsov would become I would have taken the same gamble as well.

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03-15-2012, 09:10 PM
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This blows...

So much for Ovy pulling in all the Russians. More like running away from DC...


Another McPhee blunder.
I'd love to hear how this is a McPhee blunder. Kuznetzov would have been a top five pick if he was a CHL player. The only reason he was available at 26 is because teams anticipated what just happened. How is this outcome any worse than drafting some of the other busts ranked 26-30 in 2010?

I'm not even a draftnik and I know those guys suck. Who would we have realistically taken if Kuznetzov was off the board?


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03-15-2012, 09:13 PM
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When you make key selections like a foreign player, you have to make sure the guy wants to play here.

The 1st rounders are the lifeblood of the franchise...another critical one blown for now at least.

How do you NOT understand the allure of playing with the greatest (until recently) player in your own country in the best league in the world? There's no shadow. Their play dictates it all.

Hell I was hoping Kuz would come over, kick ass and jumpstart Ovechkin. I'll try anything at this point.

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Uh, yeah, I fault McPhee somewhat for Kuznetsov's decision, but definitely not for drafting him in the first place. That's ridiculous.

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03-15-2012, 09:18 PM
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Even if Kuz comes over in 3 years, it's still a great pick. He will be a Cap at some point, it just doesn't look like it'll be next year.

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So if Kuznetsov changes his mind and joins the Caps next season, will people praise Mcphee for getting him to come over?

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I'd honestly relinquish Kuznetsov's rights on the spot just to curb the ******** pro-KHL, anti-American/NHL crap being spouted in this thread by a few of you.

Let's be frank, Kuznetsov coming or staying doesn't remotely affect the balance of power between the two leagues, and even with a diminution in the power and security of the American dollar, it's still a hell of a lot more paramount to the modern world and trusted than any form of currency coming out of Russia. I'm not going to drop a geopolitical, expository essay in here because of the hypocrite factor doing so would invoke, and really, this isn't the forum for that type of discussion anyway, but the ******** potshots that are at best tenuously germane to the topic and at worst thinly-vieled attempts to denigrate another individuals' country need to stop. They couldn't be more annoying, especially for a group of people living in one of the most contentious cities in the world from a political discourse perspective, especially on a hockey board that people frequent to block out much of the acerbic rhetoric we're inundated with on a daily basis here.

On the Kuznetsov front, I've kind of petered-out on that issue. If he does come, great and if he doesn't, we'll have to make the requisite provisions and adjustments. I doubt that it appreciably affects my feelings about the club one way or another and with Harper/Strasburg/RG3 and Anthony Davis (lord willing) coming to town soon, we aren't going to be lacking for prodigies out here anytime soon (and hopefully Ovechkin relocates his prodigious talent. That would be awesome.)

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I'd honestly relinquish Kuznetsov's rights on the spot just to curb the ******** pro-KHL, anti-American/NHL crap being spouted in this thread by a few of you.

Let's be frank, Kuznetsov coming or staying doesn't remotely affect the balance of power between the two leagues, and even with a diminution in the power and security of the American dollar, it's still a hell of a lot more paramount to the modern world and trusted than any form of currency coming out of Russia. I'm not going to drop a geopolitical, expository essay in here because of the hypocrite factor doing so would invoke, and really, this isn't the forum for that type of discussion anyway, but the ******** potshots that are at best tenuously germane to the topic and at worst thinly-vieled attempts to denigrate another individuals' country need to stop. They couldn't be more annoying, especially for a group of people living in one of the most contentious cities in the world from a political discourse perspective, especially on a hockey board that people frequent to block out much of the acerbic rhetoric we're inundated with on a daily basis here.

On the Kuznetsov front, I've kind of petered-out on that issue. If he does come, great and if he doesn't, we'll have to make the requisite provisions and adjustments. I doubt that it appreciably affects my feelings about the club one way or another and with Harper/Strasburg/RG3 and Anthony Davis (lord willing) coming to town soon, we aren't going to be lacking for prodigies out here anytime soon (and hopefully Ovechkin relocates his prodigious talent. That would be awesome.)


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