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11-24-2011, 11:24 AM
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Should Marc-Andre Cliche get his shot?

No secret that our bottom 6 has been pretty ineffective (aside from Colin Fraser and honestly...Kevin Westgarth when he has played).

Meanwhile Cliche is having a pretty good season in Manchester with 8g 4a 12p a +8 in 20 games in Manchester. He's also been on both special teams units.

He's 24 years old, he's been in our system for a while. Do you think it would even be worth calling him to get a look at the pro level?

Personally I think Clifford should head to the AHL for a while to find his game and Cliche should be brought up for his chance.

Or perhaps Jordan Nolan?

Not at all to say this would happen but everyone has lately talked about how the only thing in our system is 3rd-4th line grinders....no better time to bring them up considering how bad our bottom 6 has been...

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11-24-2011, 11:41 AM
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He might bring energy his first couple games. I wouldn't expect the bottom 6 to be any better though.

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11-24-2011, 11:46 AM
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He might bring energy his first couple games. I wouldn't expect the bottom 6 to be any better though.
Yea I agree with you. I think he should get his chance though. Honestly if I am Dean Lombardi looking at the bottom 6 ya figure....what is the harm? And maybe his energy lasts for 20 games given that he has never had a call up. Oh no TM has to scratch Moreau or Richardson.

To me it's a low risk call up.

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Yea I agree with you. I think he should get his chance though. Honestly if I am Dean Lombardi looking at the bottom 6 ya figure....what is the harm? And maybe his energy lasts for 20 games given that he has never had a call up. Oh no TM has to scratch Moreau or Richardson.

To me it's a low risk call up.
I wouldn't be against it. That line does need a pulse.

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Wouldn't he have to go through re-entry waivers?

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11-24-2011, 12:22 PM
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Wouldn't he have to go through re-entry waivers?
He's on a two way pretty certain.

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I'm always interested in giving our prospects a chance but he just doesn't excite me very much. If anything, I'd be more inclined to bring up Nolan. Love guys like Nolan.

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He's on a two way pretty certain.
One and two way contracts only affect salary, not waiver eligibility.

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One and two way contracts only affect salary, not waiver eligibility.
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EDIT: never mind I suck the ****.

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He's on a two way pretty certain.
A two-way contract doesn't have anything to do with waivers. It just means he gets paid different at the NHL versus the NHl level.

And I wouldn't be opposed to calling him up, but personally I wouldn't. I don't see him doing any better than anyone else here. I think he also played with Loktionov for some time when he put up those numbers, IIRC. They are likely inflated.

I'd rather see Nolan get a recall, if anything else he'll hit and the bottom 6 has looked it's best with Westgarth and Clifford in at the same time. Dress Clifford, Westy and Nolan, if anything they'll be a ***** to play against. King has also looked good from what I've read since his early season suckfest.

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OOOH my bad I was totally under the impression you guys were saying he would get claimed my bad my bad.

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Wouldn't he have to go through re-entry waivers?
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He's on a two way pretty certain.
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A two-way contract doesn't have anything to do with waivers. It just means he gets paid different at the NHL versus the NHl level.

And I wouldn't be opposed to calling him up, but personally I wouldn't. I don't see him doing any better than anyone else here. I think he also played with Loktionov for some time when he put up those numbers, IIRC. They are likely inflated.

I'd rather see Nolan get a recall, if anything else he'll hit and the bottom 6 has looked it's best with Westgarth and Clifford in at the same time. Dress Clifford, Westy and Nolan, if anything they'll be a ***** to play against. King has also looked good from what I've read since his early season suckfest.
Actually in this case it is relevant. If I player is making more than 110K in the AHL they have to clear re-entry waivers, and since Cliche is on a twoway he is not making more than that meaning he does not have to clear re-entry waivers.

It is true that oneway/twoway do not in any effect regular waivers, but since re-entry is all about how much the player in making at the AHL level, they are very relevant for re-entry waivers.

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He is making 55k in the AHL.

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Actually in this case it is relevant. If I player is making more than 110K in the AHL they have to clear re-entry waivers, and since Cliche is on a twoway he is not making more than that meaning he does not have to clear re-entry waivers.

It is true that oneway/twoway do not in any effect regular waivers, but since re-entry is all about how much the player in making at the AHL level, they are very relevant for re-entry waivers.
Thanks for clearing that up

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Actually in this case it is relevant. If I player is making more than 110K in the AHL they have to clear re-entry waivers, and since Cliche is on a twoway he is not making more than that meaning he does not have to clear re-entry waivers.

It is true that oneway/twoway do not in any effect regular waivers, but since re-entry is all about how much the player in making at the AHL level, they are very relevant for re-entry waivers.
Yeesh, so complicated. I'm already tired of Cliche. Just forget about him and bring up Nolan already.

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I guess he couldn't be any worse.

Hell why not?

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Actually in this case it is relevant. If I player is making more than 110K in the AHL they have to clear re-entry waivers, and since Cliche is on a twoway he is not making more than that meaning he does not have to clear re-entry waivers.

It is true that oneway/twoway do not in any effect regular waivers, but since re-entry is all about how much the player in making at the AHL level, they are very relevant for re-entry waivers.
Thanks for clarrifying. I actually forgot about that point about AHL salary. It was a bit of a big button issue right after the CBA was signed.

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I guess he couldn't be any worse.

Hell why not?
Exactly.

Guy couldn't be any worse than anyone on the bottom 6, but then again me and you couldn't be any worse.

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If anything, a call-up would give these lines some energy. Most of our bottom sixers are not really doing much but filling space on the ice--little hitting, little hustle (can't really blame them not wanting to be out of position, I suppose), NO scoring, little grit outside of stupid penalties...let's get a heart transplant.

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Yes. He has earned his shot and it sends a great message to everyone.

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He deserves a shot but will not get it unless several players go down with a injury at the same time. Next year I think he gets a better look and might actually make the team.

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Yes. He has earned his shot and it sends a great message to everyone.
Yea to me that was the nice thing about the Scott Parse call up 2 seasons ago. It was like this, what looked like AHL forever player, getting his chance at the ripe age of what...25? and actually doing well.


Again it's been said before...but it just makes the decision of Bud Holloway and Oscar Moller look that much more douchie and stupid. Well Mollers wasn't douchie he actually talked to management. But Holloway shutting off his phone, hopping on a plane and having his agent break it to the team was just straight pathetic. Man up.

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I'm agnostic on Cliche. At least he seems to be scoring goals.

I think Fraser has been a nice little addition. I'd still like to see Clifford-Lewis-Richardson for a sustained period.

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