The 7 years of age difference let alone the 8 point difference is a pretty big gap. Not really sure what's so close here.
I'm not saying it's that close, but people are talking like Read shouldn't even be in the conversation.
He's putting up 3.07 Points/60, which leads the Flyers, compared to RNH's 2.41.
Read also plays close to 3 minutes of PK per night.
I'm not lobbying for Read. I think RNH is definitely in the lead right now, but I don't think it's outrageous for a small minority(probably east coasters who watch Philly more than us) to like Read more.
At this point in the season, I'd actually have to agree with him. Toronto wouldn't be anywhere close to the spot they are now without Kessel in that line-up.
Cullen needs to pull his head out of his ass, I guess 8 more points in 3 more games isn't a good enough separation at this point? What a dumb ****.
It's funny, but before reading the article I wanted to give the writer some benefit of the doubt and hope he wrote it when the stats were closer. He didn't.
BTW, there was an online poll asking this question (I think it was at sportsnet). RNH got 96% of the vote.
I wonder how many games we would've won without RNH carrying us for the first few weeks of the season?
With all honesty, I best this team would only have 6 wins max. Not that the Nuge has lead to all of them, but it's his points, the team's confidence, the special teams. He's contributing in such a significant way it's impossible, for me, to imagine this team without him.
I'm not saying it's that close, but people are talking like Read shouldn't even be in the conversation.
He's putting up 3.07 Points/60, which leads the Flyers, compared to RNH's 2.41.
Read also plays close to 3 minutes of PK per night.
I'm not lobbying for Read. I think RNH is definitely in the lead right now, but I don't think it's outrageous for a small majority(probably east coasters who watch Philly more than us) to like Read more.
Read should definitely be in the discussion, but not as the leading candidate.
Does the NHL actually look at stats/60 as a measurement of anything?
Again, this proves TSN and it's lovefest for the Leafs. IMO, the Hart Trophy winner should be Claude Giroux, his importance to the Flyers is more significant IMO. I also think Khabibulin should get some recognition for a Hart candidate, but in typical Eastern bias fashion, he's left out of party.
Again, this proves TSN and it's lovefest for the Leafs. IMO, the Hart Trophy winner should be Claude Giroux, his importance to the Flyers is more significant IMO. I also think Khabibulin should get some recognition for a Hart candidate, but in typical Eastern bias fashion, he's left out of party.
Khabby should be no where near hart talk. He's had one great month and one mediocre to ****** month. The great month only got him 3rd star in the NHL.
Also you guys freaking out about Kessel, that one is at least debatable. RNH over Read isn't.
Isn't that how they award all the trophies at the end of the year?
Apparently according to some posters on here.
He plays 3 mins of PK a game and less minutes and puts up more points per minutes. First thing that stat tells me is he faces weaker competition per game too in the less defensive eastern conference.
I'm not saying it's that close, but people are talking like Read shouldn't even be in the conversation.
He's putting up 3.07 Points/60, which leads the Flyers, compared to RNH's 2.41.
Read also plays close to 3 minutes of PK per night.
I'm not lobbying for Read. I think RNH is definitely in the lead right now, but I don't think it's outrageous for a small minority(probably east coasters who watch Philly more than us) to like Read more.
so apparently this guy is like 45 years old or something (actually 25)... RNH is 18, not that anybody here needs to be told that, and age will play a huge part in the voting
Read should definitely be in the discussion, but not as the leading candidate.
Does the NHL actually look at stats/60 as a measurement of anything?
No, probably not the actual stat, but I'm sure they would take into consideration the amount of minutes played along with the point totals, which is what P/60 shows.
With that said, I'm no stats guy. I wouldn't really consider P/60 an "advanced statistic", it's pretty straightforward. I highly doubt they use the ridiculous stats like Corsi and Qualcomp, although you never know with "mathletics" being pretty popular these days.
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so apparently this guy is like 45 years old or something (actually 25)... RNH is 18, not that anybody here needs to be told that, and age will play a huge part in the voting
True, that could hurt his chances.
Although, it's also Read's first pro season, so maybe they take that into consideration.
No, probably not the actual stat, but I'm sure they would take into consideration the amount of minutes played along with the point totals, which is what P/60 shows.
With that said, I'm no stats guy. I wouldn't really consider P/60 an "advanced statistic", it's pretty straightforward. I highly doubt they use the ridiculous stats like Corsi and Qualcomp, although you never know with "mathletics" being pretty popular these days.
I'm pretty sure if all else was equal the 8 points alone would get RNH the win.
so apparently this guy is like 45 years old or something (actually 25)... RNH is 18, not that anybody here needs to be told that, and age will play a huge part in the voting
Age probably shouldn't affect the voting, but I hope it does. I give full credit to guys like Read and Smith (on Nashville) for working their way into the NHL and becoming good players but RNH - 170 lbs wonder - was seriously being talked about as someone who wasn't ready for prime at all and was headed back to junior. Not only as he beat those odds but RNH has been arguably his team's best player this season and one of the main reasons they aren't languishing in the cellar again with the NYI's and CBus'es of the NHL. Nuge deserves every accolade he gets this year. He's exceeded just about everyone's expectations, including my own.
This is an abomination. It proves that TSN loves to suck up to the Leafs faithful. It's all Eastern bias IMO.
Prove me otherwise, when does TSN or any of the Toronto-based sports media ever give the Oilers their dues?
I remember at the trade deadline last year one of TSN's "Reporters" called oiler fans dupes for believing our management that the rebuild would work out. They do employ some undeniable geniuses over there. It's good to remember that the only reason TSN has a better name than Sportsnet is because of Bobby Mac. Duthie, Dreger, Hodge, Cullen, and more I am forgetting are all idiots.
The Read selection has "piss off Edmonton fans to drive hits to the site" written all over it.
Age probably shouldn't affect the voting, but I hope it does. I give full credit to guys like Read and Smith (on Nashville) for working their way into the NHL and becoming good players but RNH - 170 lbs wonder - was seriously being talked about as someone who wasn't ready for prime at all and was headed back to junior. Not only as he beat those odds but RNH has been arguably his team's best player this season and one of the main reasons they aren't languishing in the cellar again with the NYI's and CBus'es of the NHL. Nuge deserves every accolade he gets this year. He's exceeded just about everyone's expectations, including my own.
Why shouldn't it effect the voting. If things are equal, points, etc, then age should be factor for rookies.
18 v. 25, there's a HELL of a difference in those 7 years and the NHL should be harder for those who are less physically mature, as one would see from a teenager.
Why shouldn't it effect the voting. If things are equal, points, etc, then age should be factor for rookies.
18 v. 25, there's a HELL of a difference in those 7 years and the NHL should be harder for those who are less physically mature, as one would see from a teenager.
I've just never heard anybody bring that up as a factor when discussing the Calder. You're right though, they should.
Khabby should be no where near hart talk. He's had one great month and one mediocre to ****** month. The great month only got him 3rd star in the NHL.
Also you guys freaking out about Kessel, that one is at least debatable. RNH over Read isn't.
Why not, would the Oilers be where they are if Khabibulin resorted to playing like last year? Doubt it. Khabibulin has been quite valuable to the Oilers team and the Hart trophy is awarded to the player that is the most valuable to his team and Khabibulin is quite valuable to the Oilers. He has given the Oilers a solid chance to win night in and night out. Sure he craped the bed for a bit recently but he's the team's backbone for success thus far.
As for Kessel, there is no doubt in my mind he is a Hart Candidate but I just think Giroux is more deserving. The fact that he picked Kessel is more of a "sucking up to the largest Canadian market" publicity stunt on Cullen's part.
It's kind of comical. When RNH is 25 he's going to be amongst the elite players in the league. Read? He's fighting for Calder.
That's nothing against Read, but the 26 rule needs to be lowered a bit further. Even if Read ends up out scoring Nuge by 15 points, does he really deserve rookie of the year over a guy that's 7 years younger?
I remember at the trade deadline last year one of TSN's "Reporters" called oiler fans dupes for believing our management that the rebuild would work out. They do employ some undeniable geniuses over there. It's good to remember that the only reason TSN has a better name than Sportsnet is because of Bobby Mac. Duthie, Dreger, Hodge, Cullen, and more I am forgetting are all idiots.
The Read selection has "piss off Edmonton fans to drive hits to the site" written all over it.
Yea it's always like that..as an Oilers fan living in Toronto, Torontonians posses this "holier than thou" mentality where everything is centred around them, hence the term "centre of the universe". I've been given dirty looks for calling myself an Albertan.
The media itself also look down upon everything "western canada" and belittle us. THis is further exposed in sports where the Oilers are hardly given any credit. It seems they purposely try to make the rest of Canada look bad to cover up the mishaps of the Leafs.
It's good to remember that the only reason TSN has a better name than Sportsnet is because of Bobby Mac. Duthie, Dreger, Hodge, Cullen, and more I am forgetting are all idiots.
