We have plenty of other prospects its just that I think there are few of us on here that get a chance to see them. Parks for instance has been (according to the little I've heard) playing quite well in his first year of college, and he was the 3rd star in our prospects game last fall. Sullentrop was mentioned by Meltzer as a good pick. Placek ws being voted by some as one of our top 15 prospects in our preseason pole. I'd have to look back but I'm pretty sure he was beating Rinaldo in many of the poles.
I guess I just find it interresting that we talk about a guy like Hyka nonstop when he isn't even our property and a guy like Parks who we have the rights to for 3 more years gets zero attention.
Well cause honestly I cant see Parks becoming much. Hyka though continues to skyrocketing up the rankings, where now some have him in the 2nd round. He is having a great year. Its more of just following a player I wish the team had but we dont. I also cant see the Flyers getting him. I see someone like Detroit picking him up.
EDIT: Ya I know a few people here get pissed off when we talk about him, but I just like him as a player.
Hyka though continues to skyrocketing up the rankings, where now some have him in the 2nd round.
I would be surprised if he gets taken in the 2nd Rd. I know he's ranked there but I think 3rd Rd at the earliest. He has three things working against him: 1. He is an overager and they typically don't get taken that high as GMs think they don't have the higher developmental curve as a 18 yr old. The last one I can remember in the 2nd was Tomas tatar at 60 overall but he had an great world juniors tourney. 2. He is very undersized frame and weight wise. He had a couple of injuries this year too. His slight frame would push him to the 2nd at the highest in his normal draft year let alone his overage year. 3. He plays in the Q. It seems to me that Q prospects besides the elite ones get taken later in the draft than other Canadian leagues.
I think the Flyers will probably have a shot a him in the 3rd, either at their pick or with a slight trade up.
What kind of translation will that production be in the NHL?
Cant see the his offense translating that much. Probably a 40 point agitator. He doesnt have that skill that most point producers in the NHL have. The other type of point producers are power forwards and he surely isnt that.
Cant see the his offense translating that much. Probably a 40 point agitator. He doesnt have that skill that most point producers in the NHL have. The other type of point producers are power forwards and he surely isnt that.
I think the Steve Downie comparison is a good one. One thing he needs to work on is his skating. Its not bad, but for a small player its not the best. What he has going for him is he works hard all the time, and those types of players make it.
I just hope he stops the diving. Only thing I dislike.
I think the Steve Downie comparison is a good one. One thing he needs to work on is his skating. Its not bad, but for a small player its not the best. What he has going for him is he works hard all the time, and those types of players make it.
I just hope he stops the diving. Only thing I dislike.
What about Brad Marchand. That's who was his draft comparison.
None of our prospects, but an European UFA who may be interesting to the Flyers. Damien Brunner is the Topscorer of the Swiss Eliteleague (Nationalliga A) and has 11 points through the first round of the playoffs. His scouting report according to eliteprospects:
Quote:
A slick offensive forward who can shoot as well as pass the puck. Has great wheels and hands. Plays a gritty game.
In the following quote from the Swiss online portal sport.ch he says that he thinks it's the right time to make the next step (moving to North America) and that his current coach Doug Shedden supports his decision. He says that several clubs talk to his agent but he wants to move to a club where he gets the chance to play more than seven minutes at the forth line. In another interview he said that he likes to sign a deal that allows him to play in the Swiss League if he can't make the roster out of camp.
The interview in German:
Quote:
In der Schweizer Medienlandschaft heisst es, Sie seien zu gut für die NLA und man rechnet fest damit, dass Sie in der nächsten Saison in der NHL spielen. Wie konkret sind ihre Pläne bezüglich eines Wechsels nach Übersee?
Ich denke, dass jetzt der Zeitpunkt gekommen ist, es zu versuchen. Mein Trainer Doug Shedden unterstützt mein Vorhaben, er war es auch, der immer an mich geglaubt und mich stets gepusht hat.
Gibt es schon Kontakte zu NHL-Klubs?
Ich persönlich habe noch mit niemandem gesprochen, doch mein Agent hat sich schon mit Vereinen getroffen. Es gibt Klubs, die Interesse signalisiert haben und mich in dieser Saison auch schon beobachten liessen.
Wie lange werden Sie sich Zeit geben, in der NHL Fuss zu fassen?
Das weiss ich noch nicht. Wichtig wird jedoch sein, dass der Verein mir auch eine reelle Chance geben will. Ich erinnere mich an Andres Ambühl, der bei den New York Rangers nie wirklich eine Gelegenheit erhalten hat, sein Können zu zeigen. Als er zurückkam, spielte er eine sensationelle WM. Man muss zeigen können, über welche Qualität man verfügt. Und das kann man nicht als Viertlinienspieler mit sieben Minuten Eiszeit pro Spiel.
None of our prospects, but an European UFA who may be interesting to the Flyers. Damien Brunner is the Topscorer of the Swiss Eliteleague (Nationalliga A) and has 11 points through the first round of the playoffs. His scouting report according to eliteprospects:
In the following quote from the Swiss online portal sport.ch he says that he thinks it's the right time to make the next step (moving to North America) and that his current coach Doug Shedden supports his decision. He says that several clubs talk to his agent but he wants to move to a club where he gets the chance to play more than seven minutes at the forth line. In another interview he said that he likes to sign a deal that allows him to play in the Swiss League if he can't make the roster out of camp.
The interview in German:
With the Flyers forward depth I can't see him making the team outright and that seems to be what he's looking for. Limited number of spots available if any not on the 4th line.
Cant see the his offense translating that much. Probably a 40 point agitator. He doesnt have that skill that most point producers in the NHL have. The other type of point producers are power forwards and he surely isnt that.
I don't know about that. Cousins has a lot of skill in his game. The fact that he carried a non-competitive team in Sault Ste. Marie and made them relevant speaks in volumes about Cousins' ability. He sees the ice really well. That's one thing that's underrated about Cousins' game - for all his antics, he's really developing into a good playmaker who can also finish.
You mentioned his skating as well. No, he isn't Pavel Bure, but he's certainly a very good skater. Players like Cousins don't need that high end speed because he's always around the puck and it seems to follow him. I love the fact that he's relentless. That's something you can't teach. On top of it, Cousins is a very coachable player. He's willing to listen and will do anything his coach asks him of.
I'm a big fan of Cousins. He's carried a poor team on his back and almost got them into the playoffs. On top of it, he's never complained about the fact that Sault Ste Marie is a horrible team and never wanted out. Instead, he's wanted to be the guy who helped turn the team around. That's character and to scouts, that means something. There was a reason why the Flyers weren't willing to part with Cousins during the trade deadline.
I don't know about that. Cousins has a lot of skill in his game. The fact that he carried a non-competitive team in Sault Ste. Marie and made them relevant speaks in volumes about Cousins' ability. He sees the ice really well. That's one thing that's underrated about Cousins' game - for all his antics, he's really developing into a good playmaker who can also finish.
You mentioned his skating as well. No, he isn't Pavel Bure, but he's certainly a very good skater. Players like Cousins don't need that high end speed because he's always around the puck and it seems to follow him. I love the fact that he's relentless. That's something you can't teach. On top of it, Cousins is a very coachable player. He's willing to listen and will do anything his coach asks him of.
I'm a big fan of Cousins. He's carried a poor team on his back and almost got them into the playoffs. On top of it, he's never complained about the fact that Sault Ste Marie is a horrible team and never wanted out. Instead, he's wanted to be the guy who helped turn the team around. That's character and to scouts, that means something. There was a reason why the Flyers weren't willing to part with Cousins during the trade deadline.
Have to agree. Watched parts of the final Soo game last night, and he was trying to set up his linemate for the hattrick the whole 3rd instead of scoring himself. He may not be an offensive player but he's got more skill at the Jr. level than Wellwood ever showed. He doesn't have Wellwood's wheels but he might make an NHL career out of his many attributes. We'll see how he develops next year.
I don't know about that. Cousins has a lot of skill in his game. The fact that he carried a non-competitive team in Sault Ste. Marie and made them relevant speaks in volumes about Cousins' ability. He sees the ice really well. That's one thing that's underrated about Cousins' game - for all his antics, he's really developing into a good playmaker who can also finish.
You mentioned his skating as well. No, he isn't Pavel Bure, but he's certainly a very good skater. Players like Cousins don't need that high end speed because he's always around the puck and it seems to follow him. I love the fact that he's relentless. That's something you can't teach. On top of it, Cousins is a very coachable player. He's willing to listen and will do anything his coach asks him of.
I'm a big fan of Cousins. He's carried a poor team on his back and almost got them into the playoffs. On top of it, he's never complained about the fact that Sault Ste Marie is a horrible team and never wanted out. Instead, he's wanted to be the guy who helped turn the team around. That's character and to scouts, that means something. There was a reason why the Flyers weren't willing to part with Cousins during the trade deadline.
Eh, Im alittle reserved on it. There arent many, if any, agitators in the league that are big point getters in the NHL. Just not their job. I think a Downie or even Marchland comparisons are good en regards to roles and offensive ability. 40-50 point agitators are good. What are you expecting points wise in the NHL?
The skating thing is what I read from many scouts who have watched him last season and this. They said that was his "weak" point, especially for a small player. But I agree on most of the other things. For a 3rd round pick, he single handedly carried his team. I like Cousins dont get me wrong. He can agitate but he can also do other things on the ice which players like Carcillo and Rinaldo could never do. Hopefully he can produce points in the NHL.
But a couple young guys, that look intriguing, are manning and Gustafson. So do you guys think 1 of those two, can become starters, if we do let kubina go,Carle go and are able to land Suter. Do you think 1 of them, can earn carle's spot, next year. Giving us, timmoen, mezaros,grosmann,coburn,Suter and 1 of the young guys.
But a couple young guys, that look intriguing, are manning and Gustafson. So do you guys think 1 of those two, can become starters, if we do let kubina go,Carle go and are able to land Suter. Do you think 1 of them, can earn carle's spot, next year. Giving us, timmoen, mezaros,grosmann,coburn,Suter and 1 of the young guys.
I think it could be possible for the #6 spot to be fought between Gustafsson, Bourdon and maybe Manning. Gotta think with 5 other players who can play, having one young d-man shouldnt be bad and could help in the future if they can turn out to be solid.
New Top 20 by the way for Spring 2012. It's going to change quickly though due to graduations. Read and Couturier are already gone.
(N/A) Sean Couturier - 8.5B (graduated)
1. Brayden Schenn - 8.5B (12 games until graduation)
(N/A) Matt Read - 7.0B (graduated)
2. Eric Wellwood - 6.5B (48 games until graduation)
3. Erk Gustafsson - 7.0C (35 games until graduation)
4. Marc-Andre Bourdon - 6.5B (26 games until graduation)
5. Jason Akeson - 7.0C
6. Brendan Ranford - 7.5D
7. Nick Cousins - 7.0C
8. Brandon Manning - 7.0C (61 games until graduation)
9. Ben Holmstrom - 5.5A (58 games until graduation)
10. Zac Rinaldo - 5.0A (9 games until graduation)
11. Blake Kessel - 7.0D
12. Niko Hovinen - 7.0D
13. Mike Testwuide - 6.0C
14. Oliver Lauridsen - 6.0C
15. Harry Zolnierczyk - 5.0A (29 games until graduation)
16. Tom Sestito - 5.5B (38 games until graduation)
17. Marcel Noebels - 6.0C
18. Colin Suellentrop - 6.0C
19. Micheal Parks - 6.5D
20. Tyler Brown - 5.5C
Last edited by Chris Shafer: 03-19-2012 at 10:55 PM.
I don't know what it is but Manning has something that really impresses me for some reason. Maybe it is his poise for being a 21 year old rookie, but there seems to be something about him that I really really like. He has a good shot from the point and isn't afraid to throw his weight around. I also heard he is a big team player and huge character guy. Hopefully the Flyers have found gold! I can only hope!
Also good job Chris on the rankings.
Also looking through some contracts on capgeek, Ryan Potulny has a one way contract next year. Man his agent is freaking excellent. Why would anyone give him a one way deal on his contract?
Of the rookie defenseman, I've been most enamored with Manning's game. I know what I'm looking for in a prospect, and I know what appeals to me in hockey player. When I watch Manning, I just keep coming back to the fact that I like what I see. He looks like an NHL player, and not just a reserve or sixth defensemen either. I'm talking top-four potential.
Eh, Im alittle reserved on it. There arent many, if any, agitators in the league that are big point getters in the NHL. Just not their job. I think a Downie or even Marchland comparisons are good en regards to roles and offensive ability. 40-50 point agitators are good. What are you expecting points wise in the NHL?
The skating thing is what I read from many scouts who have watched him last season and this. They said that was his "weak" point, especially for a small player. But I agree on most of the other things. For a 3rd round pick, he single handedly carried his team. I like Cousins dont get me wrong. He can agitate but he can also do other things on the ice which players like Carcillo and Rinaldo could never do. Hopefully he can produce points in the NHL.
I had a chance to watch about a dozen Soo games this year, and there really isn't anything wrong with Cousins' skating. He's fast enough to have the puck all the time and he creates offense from the rush and off the cycle. The Downie-Marchand comparisons don't really work because they are both really stocky hitters in the Ott mold. Downie also had great board work and passing. Marchand was more grit and speed.
Cousins is not as physical as those guys, his agitation is with his yap. He drives guys crazy, so he must have a very sharp tongue.
The NHL player he reminds me most of is Derek Roy, but Cousins isn't quite as fast or skilled as Roy was in Jr.
He's a good all around player with tremendous passing vision, hockey sense and goal scoring touch. If he gets stronger, improves his speed, stops the diving and silly penalties and learns to be a checker, he should have an NHL career. If he can't produce or check at the NHL level, he might never make it, but all the commentators in the OHL think he's a player. The Soo announcers were very complimentary about how well he played in carrying the team this year. MVP, leading scorer etc.
The fact that his Jr production at 18 is comparable to a lot of these effective NHLers is reason to be optimistic. Let's see how he does in his final Jr. season.
I had a chance to watch about a dozen Soo games this year, and there really isn't anything wrong with Cousins' skating. He's fast enough to have the puck all the time and he creates offense from the rush and off the cycle. The Downie-Marchand comparisons don't really work because they are both really stocky hitters in the Ott mold. Downie also had great board work and passing. Marchand was more grit and speed.
Cousins is not as physical as those guys, his agitation is with his yap. He drives guys crazy, so he must have a very sharp tongue.
The NHL player he reminds me most of is Derek Roy, but Cousins isn't quite as fast or skilled as Roy was in Jr.
He's a good all around player with tremendous passing vision, hockey sense and goal scoring touch. If he gets stronger, improves his speed, stops the diving and silly penalties and learns to be a checker, he should have an NHL career. If he can't produce or check at the NHL level, he might never make it, but all the commentators in the OHL think he's a player. The Soo announcers were very complimentary about how well he played in carrying the team this year. MVP, leading scorer etc.
The fact that his Jr production at 18 is comparable to a lot of these effective NHLers is reason to be optimistic. Let's see how he does in his final Jr. season.
Like I said, read it from scouts from scoutingreport.com, nhl.com, ISS, FC, hockey prospect, and my nhl draft. Each one of the difference scouts had different things they said about him, but every one of them talked about his average skating. Not making it up, just google cousins name and you will see it there. From these same sites, I had the Downie comparison because they had similar drafting previews. Both had playmaking ability with underrated hands. Also are good along the boards. Almost the exact same thing was said for both of them.
I only got to see him once, so I was basing it off of all his scouting reports, thats all.
Are Popov and Kovar our property anymore? Were they not still under the old agreement? I don't expect either to come over I'm just curious.
I think Kovar still is, but Popov isn't. Nothing to back that up but I think Euroflyers tweets about Kovar which would lead me to believe he is still under the Flyers umbrella.
Are Popov and Kovar our property anymore? Were they not still under the old agreement? I don't expect either to come over I'm just curious.
Kovar for sure, I think Meltzer confirmed that last year after they lost Eriksson's and Bertilsson's rights. There isn't a transfer agreement with either the czech elite league nor the czech hockey federation.
I'm not sure about Russia (or the KHL). There is an agreement that says that one league honors the contracts of the other but I'm not aware of a transfer agreement like Sweden has. If there isn't an agreement we still own the rights to Bodrov and Popov.
Last edited by Rick Deckard: 03-20-2012 at 09:11 AM.
