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12-12-2011, 12:41 AM
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Bob McKenzie just confirmed what was acknowleged by everyone.

Gallagher is a lock for that team.

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12-12-2011, 01:05 AM
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Bob McKenzie just confirmed what was acknowleged by everyone.

Gallagher is a lock for that team.
He's not the only one that thinks so either. Peter Loubardias believes Brendan Gallagher has already punched his ticket to Edmonton.

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The competition for jobs on Canada’s entry for the World Junior Championship is as good as I can remember, which means there are not a lot of locks for the 2012 edition of Team Canada. Following the first night, Brendan Gallagher of the Vancouver Giants can book his room in both Edmonton and Calgary.
http://futureconsiderations.ca/louba...in-for-canada/

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12-12-2011, 01:40 AM
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He's not the only one that thinks so either. Peter Loubardias believes Brendan Gallagher has already punched his ticket to Edmonton.



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I was just about to post this as well. I asked you in the other thread, but where do the 5'9/175lb numbers come from? If he actually grew an inch in the last year I'll be pretty happy.

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12-12-2011, 05:58 AM
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Prediction will be that Beaulieu won't make it. They'll go with safer d-men defensively.

And Di Giuseppe? Well that's Michigan baby!!!

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12-12-2011, 07:01 AM
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I was just about to post this as well. I asked you in the other thread, but where do the 5'9/175lb numbers come from? If he actually grew an inch in the last year I'll be pretty happy.
I'm not concerned about the height, just want him to add about 10lbs in the next 18 months. In the NHL it's about having core strength to win 1 on 1 battles and being strong on the puck.

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12-12-2011, 07:02 AM
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Prediction will be that Beaulieu won't make it. They'll go with safer d-men defensively.

And Di Giuseppe? Well that's Michigan baby!!!
Beaulieu is not exactly a high risk d-man. When he does make a mistake he has the mobility to recover like Subban.

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12-12-2011, 07:32 AM
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Prediction will be that Beaulieu won't make it. They'll go with safer d-men defensively.
I don't know about that. Beaulieu showed great speed and defensive awareness on that play where Ceci fumbled about and lost the puck. He was a little tentative in the first minutes of the 1st period but he rebounded after that. His play on the PP was superb. He telegraphed his slapshot but other than that he ran the PP. Murphy (or was it Murray) looked like a complementary player to Beaulieu.

The only thing that might hold him back is that he's an 18 year old but let's see how he plays tonight.

Right now I have him in the mix.

Gormley, Hamilton I have ahead of him simply on reputation and not what they showed me last night

Ceci, Oleksiak, I didn't like what I saw.

Dumba plays a physical game but may be too young for the team.

So that leaves Petrovic, Murphy, Kitchen, Morrow, Pyseyk, Murray, Harrington, Leduc for the remaing 5 spots. He has to outplay four - maybe five if Oleksiak rebounds. On my chart I have him ahead of Kitchen, Morrow, Harrington & Leduc and if reputation doesn't mean anything I have him ahead of Murphy & Murray - simply on the games I saw last night and in the summer.

On a side note I love that kid Devante Smith Pelly. If Timmins has a flaw in his drafting it's that. He has trouble selecting players like Devante, Kane, Simmonds (I don't mean their colour). Patches is a powerforward but Devante brings a different dimension and he's exactly the sort of player the Habs need.


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12-12-2011, 09:20 AM
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If Timmins has a flaw in his drafting it's that....
Timmins has many flaws, you just have to look at his first round blunders.

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12-12-2011, 09:24 AM
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I'll stick by initial prediction.

Gallagher makes it. Bournival as a 4th line checking role. Beaulieu will be cut.

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12-12-2011, 09:26 AM
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Beaulieu is going to be a star once he polishes his game. You cant teach offensive talent. You can teach defense. I know its cliche.

Not sure he will make this team though. You want dmen who make sound plays.

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12-12-2011, 09:44 AM
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Timmins has many flaws, you just have to look at his first round blunders.
I know Timmins is in his 11th season, here are the picks:

2002 - Higgins
2003 - Kostitsyn (later round steals or NHLers; Lapierre, O'Byrne and Halak)
2004 - Chipchura (later round steals or NHLers; Emelin, Grabovski and Streit)
2005 - Price (later round steals or NHLers; Latendresse, D'Agostini and S. Kostitsyn)
2006 - Fischer (later round steals or NHLers; Ryan White - this was a bad draft)
2007 - McDonagh and Pacioretty (later round steals or NHLers; Subban and Weber)
2008 - No 1st rounder (later round prospects; Kristo and Quailer)
2009 - Leblanc (later round prospects; Nattinen, Bennett and Avstin)
2010 - Tinordi (later round prospects; Gallagher and Ellis)
2011 - Beaulieu (later round prospects; still to be determined)

Really the only blunders are Fischer and Chipchura.

The whole 2006 draft was a bad one, but all teams have one or more of these. He made up for the Chipchura blunder in later rounds in 2004.

2007 was a great draft, only if McDonagh was here still.

Fischer stings cause Giroux was still available, but 21 other teams missed out on that one too.

Timmins is a good drafter, I think sometimes in the 1st round a "potential" player or complete player may have gotten the better of his judgement.

Over all I am pretty satisfied with his drafting.

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12-12-2011, 09:45 AM
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Beaulieu is going to be a star once he polishes his game. You cant teach offensive talent. You can teach defense. I know its cliche.

Not sure he will make this team though. You want dmen who make sound plays.
Any possibility Beaulieu is kept on as a 7th Dman like Subban was in his first WJC?

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12-12-2011, 09:49 AM
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Timmins has many flaws, you just have to look at his first round blunders.
03 - Kostitsyn (10)
04 - Chipchura (18)
05 - Price (5)
06 - Fischer (20)
07 - McDonagh (12) & Pacoiretty (22)
08 - ***************
09 - Leblanc (18)
10 - Tinordi (22)
11 - Beaulieu (17)

Yours is an old broken record. When you can show me 5 head scouts who have drafted better than Timmins then you have a point otherwise it's just groundless nitpicking on your part.

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12-12-2011, 09:49 AM
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Why can't you teach offence? Not, trying to contradict you but like... why can't those guys with weak shots just practice until they get heavy shots? I always wondered.

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Why can't you teach offence? Not, trying to contradict you but like... why can't those guys with weak shots just practice until they get heavy shots? I always wondered.
I read where one summer The Road Runner practice slapping iron pucks in his basement. At his time his was considered one ofthe hardest shots in the league.

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12-12-2011, 09:54 AM
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03 - Kostitsyn (10)
04 - Chipchura (18)
05 - Price (5)
06 - Fischer (20)
07 - McDonagh (12) & Pacoiretty (22)
08 - ***************
09 - Leblanc (18)
10 - Tinordi (22)
11 - Beaulieu (17)

Yours is an old broken record. When you can show me 5 head scouts who have drafted better than Timmins then you have a point otherwise it's just groundless nitpicking on your part.
The Pens GM.

Whitney, Fleury, Malkin, Crosby, Staal.

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03 - Kostitsyn (10)
04 - Chipchura (18)
05 - Price (5)
06 - Fischer (20)
07 - McDonagh (12) & Pacoiretty (22)
08 - ***************
09 - Leblanc (18)
10 - Tinordi (22)
11 - Beaulieu (17)

Yours is an old broken record. When you can show me 5 head scouts who have drafted better than Timmins then you have a point otherwise it's just groundless nitpicking on your part.
Exactly.

And if they are, it is because they were the Hawks, Pens or Caps drafting in the top 5 for years.

On that note, look at the Caps. Sure their 1st rounders are playing, but their late round picks are almost non existent.

Hawks draft years with Toews and Kane, no other players are NHLers from the later rounds.

Pens have had some middle to late round success, but probably not to the success Timmins has had in Montreal.

These teams got better for 1st round top picks, not mid to late round 1st rounders.


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The Pens GM.

Whitney, Fleury, Malkin, Crosby, Staal.
I might be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure Ray Shero wasn't GM when these players were drafted.

Edit: Actually he was there when Staal was drafted.

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Anybody know when the final cuts will be made for Team Canada? (thanks)

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Why can't you teach offence? Not, trying to contradict you but like... why can't those guys with weak shots just practice until they get heavy shots? I always wondered.
its mostly about poise, vision, anticipation and the talent to handle the puck properly. that kind of stuff you can't teach

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Anybody know when the final cuts will be made for Team Canada? (thanks)
I believe there will be two rounds of cuts, after tonight's and tomorrow's games.

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I would love to see Phil Di Giuseppe in a Habs jersey come the next 2 years or more.

An excellent future line would be:

Pacioretty - Di Giuseppe - Gallagher

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Why can't you teach offence? Not, trying to contradict you but like... why can't those guys with weak shots just practice until they get heavy shots? I always wondered.
You can to a degree, you can buy a steel puck for example and shoot that until shooting a regular puck feels like shooting a ball, lol. You can't really teach intelligence and offensive instincts though.

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Timmins has many flaws, you just have to look at his first round blunders.

What? Of all the members of the front office, my favourite is easily Timmins. Aside from Fischer (and at least we got an extra pick out of that) he's been solid on first rounders. Not great, but far fewer bloopers than other teams. Chipchura has had injury problems and he is still at the NHL level. His knack for finding late round gems is also uncanny. I'd love if he picked some first round superstars (it would help if we weren't so mediocre), but he's done an excellent job in the scouting role. Its after the draft that we kinda stink (where are SK74, Grabo, D'Ags, McDonagh & Latendresse now? Oh ya, we got Gomez and Palushaj, yay). Our problem hasn't been drafting, its been bringing the young guys through the system, asset management and scouting on the NHL level.

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What? Of all the members of the front office, my favourite is easily Timmins. Aside from Fischer (and at least we got an extra pick out of that) he's been solid on first rounders. Not great, but far fewer bloopers than other teams. Chipchura has had injury problems and he is still at the NHL level. His knack for finding late round gems is also uncanny. I'd love if he picked some first round superstars (it would help if we weren't so mediocre), but he's done an excellent job in the scouting role. Its after the draft that we kinda stink (where are SK74, Grabo, D'Ags, McDonagh & Latendresse now? Oh ya, we got Gomez and Palushaj, yay). Our problem hasn't been drafting, its been bringing the young guys through the system, asset management and scouting on the NHL level.
Timmins is also Director of player development, though.

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