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11-25-2011, 07:49 PM
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At what point is a real move made?

It's not a bridge-jumping thread, but just a question. How many poor effort games will it be until a move is made to try and light a fire under the complacency?

Yes, injuries, blah blah. But the consistent effort from this team as a whole has been in question since before Briere and Drury left.

Is it a Ruff issue? A "Rochester Core" issue?

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11-25-2011, 07:51 PM
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the Rochester core + Lindy Ruff has been the issue for 5 years

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11-25-2011, 07:52 PM
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Nothing drastic happens to change our core/staff unless we really tank. Even then I'm not optimistic that we make the changes necessary.

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11-25-2011, 07:54 PM
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It's a Regier issue.

It comes on him for thinking that Ville ****ing Leino was an answer.

It comes on him for not adding another defensive defenseman.

Funny how we all thought "hey, you can never have too many defensemen!" when in fact that:

a) we didn't,
b) we thought MAG was a real defenseman (he's not) and
c) injuries have still happened to the point where we can't even bench MAG because of the salary cap and Morrisonn in Rochester.

And that whole "salary cap" thing? Regier.

Ruff is Ruff with the whole line juggling bingo balls and that will never change. A real move will start being made if/when we lose a couple of more home games. We already have the most home losses in the East. That's frankly unacceptable for "Hockey Heaven", and I hope Terry and Ted realize that.

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11-25-2011, 08:02 PM
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nothing happens to Ruff/Regier until the 2013 offseason at the earliest

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11-25-2011, 08:03 PM
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nothing happens to the Rochester core at any time during this year
(miller, roy, vanek, poms, goose)

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11-25-2011, 08:08 PM
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nothing happens to the Rochester core at any time during this year
(miller, roy, vanek, poms, goose)
That's likely, yes.

Not sure about Ruff/Regier, but that statement is probably 100% true.

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Regeir got the keys to the Ferrari when Terry took over... he'd only ever driven a Geo Prizm. Had no idea how to handle it and just floored it right off the bat when free agency began.

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The Rochester core is a very good core to a playoff team.

But sadly, not to a contending team.
Barring a complete cinderella run, they just lack the high-end talent and game-deciding ability... And it's not in the system either... It's not Kassian, and I'm not sure it's Armia either.

It'll have to come via trades or FA signings... if it comes at all.

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11-25-2011, 08:29 PM
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Pegula's money is nice but it certainly isn't everything. If that's all it took the NY Rangers would be the 20 time defending Cup Champions right now.

These players should be completely embarrassed of themselves with the way new ownership has treated them.

It's like they have no pride.

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11-25-2011, 08:29 PM
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The Rochester core is a very good core to a playoff team.

But sadly, not to a contending team.
Barring a complete cinderella run, they just lack the high-end talent and game-deciding ability... And it's not in the system either... It's not Kassian, and I'm not sure it's Armia either.

It'll have to come via trades or FA signings... if it comes at all.
I wonder if Bobby Ryan could be had given the Ducks struggles?

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11-25-2011, 08:30 PM
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The Rochester core is a very good core to a playoff team.

But sadly, not to a contending team.
Barring a complete cinderella run, they just lack the high-end talent and game-deciding ability... And it's not in the system either... It's not Kassian, and I'm not sure it's Armia either.

It'll have to come via trades or FA signings... if it comes at all.
Nailed it. The team's first liners are 2nds. The 2nd liners should be 3rd's, etc. Except Vanek, of course.

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I seriously think about moving a big salary player even if they can only get a draft pick out of it, though I would prefer at defenseman that actually knows the meaning of the word defense.

At the top of my list would be Drew Stafford. The guy is a flat out waste of a hockey player.

1 goal in 18 games.

Seriously, Drew? Just leave.

Unfortunately, he is playing so bad with that new contract he would be tough to deal.

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Nothing happens until Pegula wants something to happen. I doubt Regier or Ruff sees the issues we see. They aren't likely to be the ones that are catalysts for change.

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Nothing happens until Pegula wants something to happen. I doubt Regier or Ruff sees the issues we see. They aren't likely to be the ones that are catalysts for change.
Then if Regier and Ruff don't want to act...and neither does Pegs(though I think he has a lower tolerance for BS)...

THEN WE, THE FANS, MUST.

We only have one weapon. And that's our money. Deny them money...for the tickets you buy, for the food and drink you consume, for the souvenirs you get, etc...and eventually, the higher ups WILL get the message.

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the Rochester core + Lindy Ruff has been the issue for 5 years
Ditto. Mostly core.

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11-25-2011, 08:38 PM
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The season may have just turned into a development opportunity for our young talent. At least thru the next month or two.

The issue to me is who do you want guiding these new players through this period. Frankly, I do not want Ruff touching them.

The problem is Pegula extended Ruff's contract so he's not going anywhere. But that's principally where an immediate difference shows up... coaching change.

Gollisano/Quinn extended Regier's contract so Darcy is expendable. But that doesn't change much immediately. I don't think we have much to offer right now with all the injury's.

So I predict the guys in charge decide to ride it out for now. Until we miss the playoffs that is.

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11-25-2011, 08:40 PM
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nothing happens to the Rochester core at any time during this year
(miller, roy, vanek, poms, goose)
Stafford is part of that core....6 of them and it's entirely possible that 2 or 3 of that core NEEDS to be moved.

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Nothing happens until Pegula wants something to happen. I doubt Regier or Ruff sees the issues we see. They aren't likely to be the ones that are catalysts for change.
Consistent commentary to Black though, may just get his attention.

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anyone watch that Bruins/Wings game today?
some phenomenal, PHENOMENAL hockey played in that game. the puck movement and tempo was great to watch...

when's the last time you saw a Sabres team play like that?

I can't ****ing remember.

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11-25-2011, 08:50 PM
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lets trade everyone in the core at the deadline for a team's 1st round pick and #1 prospect or young NHler... :lol


Miller to Columbus for Brassard and 1st
Vanek to Tampa for Connolly and 1st
Roy to Calgary for Baertchi and 1st
Stafford to NYI for Nelson and 1st
Pominville to Detroit for Sheehan and 1st

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lets trade everyone in the core at the deadline for a team's 1st round pick and #1 prospect or young NHler... :lol


Miller to Columbus for Brassard and 1st
Vanek to Tampa for Connolly and 1st
Roy to Calgary for Baertchi and 1st
Stafford to NYI for Nelson and 1st
Pominville to Detroit for Sheehan and 1st
it'd be the Sabres luck to do that and have the worst draft class since 99 or whatever draft year was considered that big bust year

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I think people on these boards overestimate how easy it is to blow up the core of your team and get decent value in return. The Flyers were able to do it in the offseason because they were able to sign Bryzgalov and Jagr as free agents. I doubt anyone would be happy if we shipped out our equivalents of Richards and Carter and all we got in return was a prospect, a grinder, and a streaky second line forward. The point is that big blow ups really only work in the offseason when you can sign big name free agents because you rarely get fair value when you unload large contracts via trade.

In spite of all that we still need to address the center ice position. Stoll and Nielsen are both guys I would love to have.

Other than that there aren't a whole lot of players that I can see radically changing the makeup of the team. Suter, Weber, Ruutu, Doan, Parise, and Smyth all come to mind, though I expect most of them will be re-signed/extended by their current teams.

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I understand people want to blame the core, but with how Vanek and Pommer have been playing, why in the hell would we want to get rid of them?

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I understand people want to blame the core, but with how Vanek and Pommer have been playing, why in the hell would we want to get rid of them?
Seconded. As appealing as the "blow it all up" idea may be right now, I think those two you keep no matter what. They are definitely first liners and would be on any other team in the league. In fact, right now both are in the top 10 in points in the entire league. To suggest getting rid of them seems ludicrous.

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