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Richards or Kovalchuk?

View Poll Results: Who would be better on the Kings?
Mike Richards 113 80.14%
Ilya Kovalchuk 28 19.86%
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06-28-2011, 04:55 PM
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Richards or Kovalchuk?

Who would you rather have, Mike Richards or Kovalchuk? Simple question.

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06-28-2011, 04:58 PM
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Do the Kings keep Schenn and Simmonds in your hypothetical?

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06-28-2011, 05:00 PM
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Kings biggest weakness has been a #2 center. We are strong in net, on the back and up the middle. Keys to winning a cup.

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06-28-2011, 05:01 PM
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Do the Kings keep Schenn and Simmonds in your hypothetical?
I'd say Schenn yes, Simmonds probably not because wasn't there a deal around Simmonds + for Kovalchuk when he was still in the ATL?

Edit: I still voted for Richards as he is the more complete player.

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06-28-2011, 05:02 PM
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If we had kept Schenn on the Kovalchuk side of this situation, this is a really tough question. I honestly don't know.

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06-28-2011, 05:03 PM
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Richards, easily. He just does so much more than Kovalchuk, and has a better contract and plays a more critical role.

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06-28-2011, 05:03 PM
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That's a tougher question than you would think. I am assuming we have Schenn in this scenario. It's a lot of hoping, but he has a pretty good chance to at least become comparable to Richards and if that is the case Kovalchuk provides a lot of offense. Richards is a star, but Kovalchuk is a superstar; however they are very different players in many different ways both on and off the ice. It is a tough question.

Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Williams
Penner-Schenn-Brown

Seems pretty darn good too. I am happy with the way things turned out though regardless.

It's no question who Dean would want more though, and that is the scenario we have, so in Dean I trust and let's see what happens.

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06-28-2011, 05:07 PM
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Richards vs Kovalchuk's salaries is a fundamental issue.

If the Kings had to pay Kovalchuk, their hands would be tied in so many ways regarding signing & re-signing other players.

Richards permits the Kings to have the space to sign Doughty, we'd really be sweating bullets right now regarding Doughty if Kovalchuk's salary had to be factored in.

To my mind, given the Kings far superior roster flexibility with Richards, there is no question the Kings are better off with him.

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06-28-2011, 05:08 PM
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I don't think it's that tough of a question/comparison. Richards wins for his 2-way play. A top 2 way center is rare. Kovalchuck's defensive game isn't nearly as strong as Richards' is. Kovalchuk certainly is an elite winger, but he's a winger.

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06-28-2011, 05:12 PM
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Richards without a doubt. Is a proven playoff performer, solid in his own end, great on the p.k., leadership and gives the Kings a solid 1-2 punch down the middle, what every championship team needs.
With Richards, that gives Kopitar more freedom to focus more on the offensive side of the game. With the addition of Richards, I truly believe we'll finally see Kopitar hit the 40 goal/90 point mark.
I look at Kopitar/Richards like the Sedin/Kesler duo.

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06-28-2011, 05:14 PM
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Kovalchuk-Kopi-Williams
Penner-Lokti-Brown
Clifford-Stoll/Schenn-Simmonds
Richardson-Lewis-Westgarth

vs

Penner-Kopi-Williams
?????-Richards-Brown
Clifford-Stoll-?????
Richardson-Lewis-Westgarth


I'll take the 1st please.

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06-28-2011, 05:16 PM
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Kovalchuk-Kopi-Williams
Penner-Lokti-Brown
Clifford-Stoll/Schenn-Simmonds
Richardson-Lewis-Westgarth

vs

Penner-Kopi-Williams
?????-Richards-Brown
Clifford-Stoll-?????
Richardson-Lewis-Westgarth


I'll take the 1st please.
If the Kings had signed Kovalchuk, they wouldn't have traded for Penner.

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06-28-2011, 05:16 PM
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Yeah top 26 year old two-way center on a reasonable contract > elite 29 year old sniping LW*on a much less reasonable contract.

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Kovalchuk-Kopi-Williams
Penner-Lokti-Brown
Clifford-Stoll/Schenn-Simmonds
Richardson-Lewis-Westgarth

vs

Penner-Kopi-Williams
?????-Richards-Brown
Clifford-Stoll-?????
Richardson-Lewis-Westgarth


I'll take the 1st please.
You probably don't get Penner in the first scenario

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06-28-2011, 05:21 PM
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Whoops, I mis-handled this one badly.

I was thinking

Kovy Kopi Williams
Penner Richards,M Brown
Clifford Stoll ???

I thought this was a choice between Kovy and Brad Richards. I'm thinking, well we've got the center locked up with MR and Kopi lets add a sniper.

I choose Mike Richards over Kovy.

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06-28-2011, 05:21 PM
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Fair enough. I'd still rather have the 1st one and then replace Penner in UFA.

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06-28-2011, 05:29 PM
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That's a hard one but I'd go with Richards

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Would rather have three strong centers than one finesse winger. Just look at all Cup champs in the past and they all were three deep with top quality centers. Kovalchuk hasn't ever come close to sniffing a Cup. Just look at all the hardware Mike Richards has won, he has had success at every level and he will be a pivotal player in leading the Kings to that next level. Kovalchuk on the Kings wouldn't have had that type of impact.

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06-28-2011, 05:34 PM
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Richards is a better second line center than Kovalchuk is a first line winger. Too many variables to really say but, right now Kovy and Schenn could adequately fill our top 6 holes while nobody and Richards leaves a hole on left wing. I'll see what happens past this.

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well... with our crowded center position it would be easily Kovalchuk.

Penner - Kopitar - williams
Kovy - Schenn - Brown
Parse - Loktionov - Simmonds

looks way better than

Penner - Kopitar - Williams
Parse - Richards - Brown
XXX - Loktionov - XXX

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06-28-2011, 05:45 PM
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Love both players but I'll go with Richards - lesser talent but through-the-roof intangibles.

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06-28-2011, 05:46 PM
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MR over IK hands down.

Now, if we keep Schenn but have to have ponied up the cash for IK then it isn't so close but then that doesn't matter to me. This is just a hypothetical which player would I chose over the other.

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Quote:
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Richards vs Kovalchuk's salaries is a fundamental issue.

If the Kings had to pay Kovalchuk, their hands would be tied in so many ways regarding signing & re-signing other players.

Richards permits the Kings to have the space to sign Doughty, we'd really be sweating bullets right now regarding Doughty if Kovalchuk's salary had to be factored in.

To my mind, given the Kings far superior roster flexibility with Richards, there is no question the Kings are better off with him.
Same years (9) similar cap hit, within $900k (5.75 vs. $6.6). The only reason I am not clear-cut for Richards is because in the Kovalchuk scenario we still have Schenn. There is potential to have our cake and eat it too.

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I dont think you can keep Simmonds on the team with all those saying Kovalchuk because the way it sounds we were nowhere near signing him so it would've had to been the trade with Atlanta that involved Simmer. Also if we had Kovy on the team last year, Penner probably wouldnt have been what we traded for. In fact we probably would've tried to trade somethig around that package for a 2nd line center. Too many variables to include lines and what not, just breaks down to who brings more to the table, Kovy or MRichards.

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06-28-2011, 05:59 PM
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Richards, but it's fairly close.

MR is great because a 1-2 punch of all-star caliber 2-way centers is very effective come playoff time. We learned something about center depth in the playoffs last year, I'd rather not see that again. Stoll is not the type of 2nd line center you see on contending teams. Lokti and Schenn? That's lateral from last year at best. We need to get better.

What separates them for me is their salaries and defense. Any player who commands that kind of salary better be at least decent on defense. At his best, Kovy is sub-par on the defensive end. 6.6M for a one-way guy is a stretch in today's NHL.

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