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03-21-2012, 03:53 PM
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If these "free wallet" goalies were so good other teams would have already got them/are going after them. We need to actually draft a starting goalie, this free wallet ******** is getting old.

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Because rolling with goalies with literally no NHL experience as the main starter on the team has worked so well for us these last few years.
Toskala and Giguere sure lit the world on fire didnt they

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So we should stop trying to sign very good prospects from abroad because not all them work out?
Hey, you quoted me perfectly. Well done.
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Gus didnt lose us the season by himself.

And again, they're free. Theirs nothing to lose. A drafted player could lose you for you just as easily.
I didn't say the season, I said games, at integral moments.

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Because rolling with goalies with literally no NHL experience as the main starter on the team has worked so well for us these last few years.
Who wanted him as starter? Oh right, no one.

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If these "free wallet" goalies were so good other teams would have already got them/are going after them. We need to actually draft a starting goalie, this free wallet ******** is getting old.
You mean like a Matt Read?

Yeah that guy sucks ass.

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If these "free wallet" goalies were so good other teams would have already got them/are going after them. We need to actually draft a starting goalie, this free wallet ******** is getting dumb.
Did you miss the summer we signed Gus? It was circus around him with many teams involved.

FYI, Eddie Belfour was a "free wallet" to start his career.

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Hey, you quoted me perfectly. Well done.


I didn't say the season, I said games, at integral moments.
And that matters how? Drafted players **** up every night in the NHL and lose individual games for their teams. Should we stop drafting too?

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And that matters how? Drafted players **** up every night in the NHL and lose individual games for their teams. Should we stop drafting too?
You're right it doesn't matter that once he started losing us games with ****** goals we dropped like a stone. Why would that matter to a bubble team?

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And how many other free wallet players were there that didnt work out? Dont just spew out names saying "Well look at so and so..." because for every free wallet that pans out there are 100 that dont. We need a real goalie, not another free wallet.

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You're right it doesn't matter that once he started losing us games with ****** goals we dropped like a stone. Why would that matter to a bubble team?
That has nothing to do with him being a FA signing vs a draft pick.

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And how many other free wallet players were there that didnt work out? Dont just spew out names saying "Well look at so and so..." because for every free wallet that pans out there are 100 that dont. We need a real goalie, not another free wallet.
THEY'RE FREE

It doesnt cost us any assets to acquire them. Their is literally nothing to lose.

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Because rolling with goalies with literally no NHL experience as the main starter on the team has worked so well for us these last few years.
Noone said that he was going to be our starter.

I wrote that I wanted him in our prospect pool and that I could see him being a very good NHL-goalie IN THE FUTURE.

There's no harm in signing top prospects and letting them play in the AHL to see what they are made of. The only thing we lose on that gamble is a roster spot.

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Did you miss the summer we signed Gus? It was circus around him with many teams involved.

FYI, Eddie Belfour was a "free wallet" to start his career.
As were Curtis Joseph, Jonas Hiller, and Tim Thomas, Pekka Rinne would have been if he wasn't drafted in the 8th round before there was no more 8th round. Higher percentage of free wallet success with goalies than any other position.

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It's worked out incredibly well so far
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I'd consider Bozak a success. Who cares if they dont work out? Nothing to lose.
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That has nothing to do with him being a FA signing vs a draft pick.
I care that he's lost us games in the thick of a playoff hunt- at the time. I answered your question, that's what it has to do with signing a player and relying on him if he's terrible. You're the one with the ridiculous inclination to post about UFA vs draft picks. I never once mentioned draft picks and don't care to argue meaningless scenarios. The player in question, that I made a comment about, is an example of a failure with this free wallet garbage (what my first post in this thread pertained to), which is what the discussion is about, not draft picks

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I dont know why people are complaing. If we sign him there will be a place for him somewhere even if he stays in europe. And "free wallets" arent that bad. Sure gustavsson crapped the bed but the way he is being coached to play is not his style and i dont think anyone can argue that Bozak wasnt a good pickup. Sure hes no 70 pt center but he is one of the only guys that works hard out there game in and game out.

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Hey, you quoted me perfectly. Well done.
Yes I quoted you, care to explain why we should stop trying to acquire good talented players using all the avenues like other teams do?

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And how many other free wallet players were there that didnt work out? Dont just spew out names saying "Well look at so and so..." because for every free wallet that pans out there are 100 that dont. We need a real goalie, not another free wallet.
St. Louis, Belfour, Gretzky, Joseph

Probably all Hall of Famers who werent drafted. Give me 400 guys who didnt pan out.

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Yes I quoted you, care to explain why we should stop trying to acquire good talented players using all the avenues like other teams do?
I guess you need this: to understand

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Another goalie we can ruin.

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I'd consider Bozak a success. Who cares if they dont work out? Nothing to lose.
Debatable.

We've been finishing in the bottom of the standings with these trial-and-error projects. Burke made the Kessel trade based on the premise that he acquired assets like "Bozak, Christian Hanson etc." which allowed him to do the trade..a prime example of him not being able to evaluate talent. Our standing is definitely at stake if we keep up with the trial and error.

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Debatable.

We've been finishing in the bottom of the standings with these trial-and-error projects. Burke made the Kessel trade based on the premise that he acquired assets like "Bozak, Christian Hanson etc." which allowed him to do the trade..a prime example of him not being able to evaluate talent. Our standing is definitely at stake if we keep up with the trial and error.
I'd stack up Bozak vs Jared Knight any day (the 2nd rder from Kessel trade).

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Debatable.

We've been finishing in the bottom of the standings with these trial-and-error projects. Burke made the Kessel trade based on the premise that he acquired assets like "Bozak, Christian Hanson etc." which allowed him to do the trade..a prime example of him not being able to evaluate talent. Our standing is definitely at stake if we keep up with the trial and error.
My point. If we are picking "free wallets" up to pay our mortgage, we're gonna lose the house. If we're picking them up to provide secondary income (not to be solely relied upon as a starter or a primary source of scoring) then it's fine, we'll get by and there's little risk.

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My point. If we are picking "free wallets" up to pay our mortgage, we're gonna lose the house. If we're picking them up to provide secondary income (not to be solely relied upon as a starter or a primary source of scoring) then it's fine, we'll get by and there's little risk.
Seems more like the latter to me.

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Seems more like the latter to me.
Which is fine, but in the case of Gustavsson, which is who I commented on earlier, Burke put the house on the line with he and Reimer as the tandem. He had a shot at a Vokoun, or possibly another vet, to insulate the risk, but chose not to. That reliance on such a questionable tandem really hurt us this season.

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How about I dunno...go after a LEGIT goalie. Enough of this free wallet crap.

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