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11-28-2011, 01:33 PM
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Why are Lewis and Richardson healthy scratches?

Yes, this has been brought up in the lines thread and the other threads, but I think it desreves its own thread. I've not been a huge fan of Lewis and Richardson (simply because they don't finish well), but it cannot be denied that they:

1. Put 100% every time they are on the ice
2. Have more speed than most of the lineup
3. Play well defensively
4. Despite not being great finishers, they don't make many stupid plays.
5. They get chances.

6. ...and most importantly, better than most bottom 6 pieces TM has put in the lineup.

What the F? +

*If any of you media guys are reading this, please ask TM this question regardless of win/loss tonight. If TM says something about not "having the right level of compete" or something equally out of this world, I will personally go down to Staples to curse TM out lol


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11-28-2011, 01:35 PM
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because they aren't 30 years old

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11-28-2011, 01:44 PM
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Thier names haven't been pulled out of the yet?? *shrug*

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Yes, this has been brought up in the lines thread and the other threads, but I think it desreves its own thread. I've not been a huge fan of Lewis and Richardson (simply because they don't finish well), but it cannot be denied that they:

1. Put 100% every time they are on the ice
2. Have more speed than most of the lineup
3. Play well defensively
4. Despite not being great finishers, they don't make many stupid plays.
5. They get chances.

6. ...and most importantly, better than most bottom 6 pieces TM has put in the lineup.

What the F? +
I think the only benefit they have above what anyone else in the line up brings is speed. Putting 100% in, play well defensively and getting chances, so does the rest of the 3rd/4th liners IMO. Even not making stupid plays, that's in the eyes of the coach.

Bottom line, they haven't done anything great to put themselves ahead of the rest of the other options, and TM did give them chances, they both played 18 games or so before finally ending up as a scratch.

Richardson I'd like to see back in, but I think Lewis should be moved. I have no idea why so many fans like this guy so much. He's never shown any real finish outside of an ok playoffs last year and he is brutal in the face off circle too, worst percentage by far on the team for anyone with more than a dozen facoffs.

Frankly, if they can't do anything to prove they're better than guys like Kevin Westgarth, Trent Hunter and Ethan Moreau, I'm not sure we really need them at all tbh.

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11-28-2011, 01:53 PM
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I'm surprised Richardson hasn't requested a trade yet..

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because they aren't 30 years old

IMHO, you've hit the nail on the head. It's a seniority thing and Hunter is 31 while Moreau is 35ish. That said, I do believe the former is running out of opportunities to prove himself & may get waived in the next 4-5 days.

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because they aren't 30 years old
Awesome! i'm penciled in the line up for tonight. I'm 31 y/o!

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Richardson = 18 games, 0 goals -4.

Lewis = 19 games, 0 goals, 1 assist +0.

Um....anything else?

If Westgarth can score a goal in 8 games, what is wrong with these guys?

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11-28-2011, 02:13 PM
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They have all the speed in the world but eventually it has to translate into something. Hunter and Moreau at least bring some sandpaper and grit which in large is lacking on the club right now.. I don't necessarily agree with it but I'm guessing that's part of the reasoning.

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11-28-2011, 02:15 PM
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Exactly. Richie and Lewis bring speed and skill and they had not been using either...so Murray will go with the bigger guys who are throwing the body and getting dirty.

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Exactly. Richie and Lewis bring speed and skill and they had not been using either...so Murray will go with the bigger guys who are throwing the body and getting dirty.
Exactly. People are quick to bash Moreau and Hunter at at the moment they're better options than Richie and Lewis.

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...so Murray will go with the bigger guys who are throwing the body and getting dirty.
...who have not played any better. And in fact one of them has single-handedly cost us games (or close to is other times) with his stupid penalties. Also no his "sandpaper and grit" does not justify those game-costing Moreau-nic penalties.

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What have Richardson and Lewis contributed in comparison to Hunter and Moreau? Hell even Westgarth.


Those guys aren't getting it done.

And currently, Moreau - Fraser - Westgarth has been the best our 4th line has looked in some time.

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Because our coach is an idiot???

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LoL, anybody miss Handzus yet?

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...who have not played any better. And in fact one of them has single-handedly cost us games (or close to is other times) with his stupid penalties. Also no his "sandpaper and grit" does not justify those game-costing Moreau-nic penalties.
You're right, they haven't played any better. But when you are Richardson and Lewis, have played in this system and are younger, yet you can't outproduce two past their expiry date guys like Hunter and Moreau, you don't deserve to play.

You can argue that Moreau cost us the Dallas game, but what other games are you referring too? And it could also be implied that by not playing up to their past standards, that Richardson and Lewis have cost us games.

Most of us knew Hunter and Moreau would be depth plug-ins and get used sparingly. How many people would have guessed Lewis and Richardson would be this bad?

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LoL, anybody miss Handzus yet?
Missed him when he left, but at the time the move made sense. Not sure where we fit his cap hit anyways.

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LoL, anybody miss Handzus yet?
Handzus has 5 points in 20 games.

Stoll has 7 points in 23 games.


C'mon guys...... let's pull it together here.

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Richardson has 3 goals in the past 64 regular season games. I just went all Herby on you guys.

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They are serving their time for breaking Murray's speed limit. Maybe in time they will learn to control themselves and obey Murray's laws.

To be fair, they haven't been producing much. I am sure, in Murray's mind, he believes he is just testing out his new options seeing if they can do a better job with a serviceable chance, but we have cut a lot of speed out of our lineup, and it is unlikely to yield greater results. Who knows though. I am more concerned about the top 6 and top 4 (defense) being set and performing than I am the bottom 6, even though we need more production from those lines.

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Handzus has 5 points in 20 games.

Stoll has 7 points in 23 games.


C'mon guys...... let's pull it together here.

Yeah, I guess I should've been more clear. The point is, Handzus was large & brings the grit AND has a modicum of skill without taking bad penalties.

Moreau & Hunter are simply not in the same category. Large & gritty, yes, but skilled & disciplined, no.

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Richardson = 18 games, 0 goals -4.

Lewis = 19 games, 0 goals, 1 assist +0.

Um....anything else?

If Westgarth can score a goal in 8 games, what is wrong with these guys?
+1

It's shocking just how much our bottom 6 have under-performed.

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Lewis is unnecessary to the roster. There are more than enough speedy penalty killer type players on this team and all of them are much better than him.

Richardson has done absolutely nothing.

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Still don't understand why Lewy never gets top 6 time.

I mean..Hunter has...Richardson has for extended periods of time this year and last.

Lewis played games last year with Brown and Stoll on the 2nd line and was fantastic. But it lasted what....6 games?



Why he has always been relegated to 10 minutes a game with guys like Westgarth and Clifford is beyond me. Who else things he might look good one a line with Richards and Brown? I mean the kid can play any 3 of the forward spots.....

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