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D Samuel Girard - Shawinigan Cataractes, QMJHL (2016, 47th, NSH)

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06-20-2015, 07:52 PM
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D Samuel Girard - Shawinigan Cataractes, QMJHL (2016, 47th, NSH)

An interesting prospect I haven't heard about for the draft. Great rookie year but is only 5"9 and 154 poinds. Where is he projected right now?

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06-20-2015, 08:14 PM
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An interesting prospect I haven't heard about for the draft. Great rookie year but is only 5"9 and 154 poinds. Where is he projected right now?

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http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=251476
I live in a city 20 minutes away from Shawinigan where he played last season and where he'll play next year (with Anthony Beauvilier and Dennis Yan) so I've seen him play live quite a few times.

The kid has amazing skills, good puck-moving defenseman, rrrrreally good on the powerplay as well, huge offensive upsides.

He'll definitely need to improve a lot in his own zone, but he is young and have time to become better in this area. He is not very physical, and definitely need to gain weight and height.

But still, huuuuuuuuuuuge offensive upside. With the puck he's a beast. Without the puck, well... it's a whole different story but he is still young and has time to improve this aspect to become eventually a decent NHLer.

43 points in 64 games with a +15 differential as a 16 year old defenseman in the Q, it ain't nothing.

Can't wait to see him play again next year and I'll be able to keep the board in touch with his performances and improvements.

Right now, I'd consider him as a early to mid 2nd round pick due to his size.

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06-20-2015, 09:54 PM
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I live in a city 20 minutes away from Shawinigan where he played last season and where he'll play next year (with Anthony Beauvilier and Dennis Yan) so I've seen him play live quite a few times.

The kid has amazing skills, good puck-moving defenseman, rrrrreally good on the powerplay as well, huge offensive upsides.

He'll definitely need to improve a lot in his own zone, but he is young and have time to become better in this area. He is not very physical, and definitely need to gain weight and height.

But still, huuuuuuuuuuuge offensive upside. With the puck he's a beast. Without the puck, well... it's a whole different story but he is still young and has time to improve this aspect to become eventually a decent NHLer.

43 points in 64 games with a +15 differential as a 16 year old defenseman in the Q, it ain't nothing.

Can't wait to see him play again next year and I'll be able to keep the board in touch with his performances and improvements.

Right now, I'd consider him as a early to mid 2nd round pick due to his size.
2nd round, I dont think so....the height will play too much of a factor for him to go that high...IMO 4th round.

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06-20-2015, 11:55 PM
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Is it unlikely that he'll grow?

If he is 5'10/11 he could go in the top 2 rounds with his talent.

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Kid is skilled as they come but with his size he's looking like he will be a poor mans Ryan Ellis.

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Kid is skilled as they come but with his size he's looking like he will be a poor mans Ryan Ellis.
I would say he is a mix of Ellis and Murphy. They all have two amazing asset and lacking in the 3rd one.

Ellis: IQ + Shot but average to below average skating
Murphy Shot + Skating but average to below average IQ
Girard Skating + IQ but average to below average shot

I like how he dosen't try to do too much by himself even with is great skating. He's sound positionnally and doesn't run everywhere, but right now he is lacking heigt AND weight and it affect his ability to defend.

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2nd round, I dont think so....the height will play too much of a factor for him to go that high...IMO 4th round.
The kid is 16. I really hate how people think young players don't grow. He could be 5'10 or 5'11 by the time next season starts. Of course, he'll need to put up more pounds.

His offensive skills are off the charts. He has the skillset of a 1st overall pick. His vision, hockey IQ, skating, agility and passing are pitch perfect. He's a gem.

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Ryan Ellis is a good NHL comparable but his ceiling his waaaaaaay higher.

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I would say he is a mix of Ellis and Murphy. They all have two amazing asset and lacking in the 3rd one.

Ellis: IQ + Shot but average to below average skating
Murphy Shot + Skating but average to below average IQ
Girard Skating + IQ but average to below average shot

I like how he dosen't try to do too much by himself even with is great skating. He's sound positionnally and doesn't run everywhere, but right now he is lacking heigt AND weight and it affect his ability to defend.
That's something I've noticed too with his positioning and not trying to do too much. Sometimes you'll see him turn on the jets and make a rush but most of the time its the simple plays. Could definitely have had more points if he wasn't concerned with playing sound, positional defensive hockey.

We're going to see him put up a lot of points this year I think.

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He's dynamic for sure. Really excited to see how he progresses over the next year. He compares very favorably to Mitch Vande Sompel in this year's draft. If he grows a touch, he's a surefire second rounder.

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Girard looks more dynamic than Vande Sompel.

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Ryan Ellis is a good NHL comparable but his ceiling his waaaaaaay higher.
Are you saying Girard's ceiling is way higher?

Perhaps with foresight of what Ellis has become (though he's still young and I don't think he has reached his potential yet), but at the same age Ellis was definitely the better prospect.

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I hear he is pretty good at chasing fugitives

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Are you saying Girard's ceiling is way higher?

Perhaps with foresight of what Ellis has become (though he's still young and I don't think he has reached his potential yet), but at the same age Ellis was definitely the better prospect.
Ellis was amazing, but for the NHL he was small and slow, I rememberd the TSN hype, but that's a bad combination to have a successful NHL career.

If he was 6ft tall Girard would be in the discussion to be a top 5 pick next year imo.

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That's something I've noticed too with his positioning and not trying to do too much. Sometimes you'll see him turn on the jets and make a rush but most of the time its the simple plays. Could definitely have had more points if he wasn't concerned with playing sound, positional defensive hockey.

We're going to see him put up a lot of points this year I think.
Agree, he has the ability to produce in junior hockey by agressively using his skating/hands and by taking alot of chances, but he only use those ability "at time". Alot of those offensive D-men in junior are playing more or less like a 4th foward and will have to settle down to play pro, he is allready playing like a pro. Great, great IQ.

Edit: I'll just give an exemple of what I say about the way you produce using the 2011 draft. Hamilton, Beaulieu and Morrow were 3 pretty good offensive defensemen in junior. Morrow and Beaulieu were using their physical gift alot, were rushing the puck alot and played more carlessly for defensem. Hamilton was "owning" the puck alot less. Wasn't as spectacular and was seen as less skill (but better defensively + height). When they turned pro, Beaulieu and Morrow had to change their game and stop those careless rushes. Both had to change the way they could produce pts, both struggle to do it, while Hamilton just continue to play is "simplier" game in the pro and just continue to produce pts the same way he was doing in junior, not overusing is physical ability.

That's what I'm saying about Girard, in junior he could produce more offense by overusing his physical tool (just his skating alone would be enough) but he is playing more of a pro game than a flashy junior game.


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He has the skillset of a 1st overall pick. His vision, hockey IQ, skating, agility and passing are pitch perfect. He's a gem.
So true

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I hope all of this "1st overall skillset" talk doesn't overrate him, because he certainly does not have that. Even if he was 5'11 or 6' he is still not a 1st overall pick, maybe top 10.

He could be a first round pick if he grows a bit and continues to develop however.

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but at the same age Ellis was definitely the better prospect.
Well in Ellis' rookie season he did put up 20 more points than Girard but he was playing on a slightly better squad. He played with 4 forwards who put up more than 60 pts, whereas Girard only played with two. Bailey had 96 pts and Beauvillier had 94 pts, so they are comparable.

Girard' skating alone makes him a much better prospect than Ellis ever was, especially considering the importance of this ability in today's NHL. You can compare Girard to someone like Tyson Barrie or TJ Brodie.

Ellis had 89 pts in his 2nd year. I doubt Girard scores that much, but I could see him scoring around 70. Points arn't telling the whole story, though.

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One thing is sure, him alone worth the entrance price in Shawinigan!

And you have Beauvillier and Yan has a bonus, wow!

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Well in Ellis' rookie season he did put up 20 more points than Girard but he was playing on a slightly better squad. He played with 4 forwards who put up more than 60 pts, whereas Girard only played with two. Bailey had 96 pts and Beauvillier had 94 pts, so they are comparable.

Girard' skating alone makes him a much better prospect than Ellis ever was, especially considering the importance of this ability in today's NHL. You can compare Girard to someone like Tyson Barrie or TJ Brodie.

Ellis had 89 pts in his 2nd year. I doubt Girard scores that much, but I could see him scoring around 70. Points arn't telling the whole story, though.
Ellis made team Canada and won a gold medal at 17. Think Girard makes the WJC this year?

People are underrating Ellis as a prospect

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I think the Hlinka camp/tournament will be huge for him, playing on a big ice with that skating ability he could do some great thing in August.

I remember folks calling us crazy for having him are as our #1 prospect (minus Chad Krys) for the 2014 Q draft. He had a fantastic season with Shawinigan. Size will always be an issue with him but his skating-vision-hockey sense are all off the chart.

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Rank #16 by Craig Button on the September rankings!

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Great player. Will be interesting to see what he can accomplish during the year.

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Had 3 assists in Shawinigans big 8-2 win over Victoriaville last night. Now up to 7 points in 4 games.

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Had 3 assists in Shawinigans big 8-2 win over Victoriaville last night. Now up to 7 points in 4 games.
I really think he will end up selected in the 1st round or early 2nd round. If he were 6' and 200lbs, he would be a Top15 candidate for sure!

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