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11-28-2011, 10:26 AM
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IMO, there is no need in letter changes... As the record shows Chimera is one of my favorite players, but he is not a C material, and Laich as hardworking as you can find is just a mouthpiece, nothing more. Lets see how it goes than make an appropriate changes.

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11-28-2011, 10:27 AM
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I put Chimera for the C simply because the guy has been the only one on that team that has brought it every game so far this season. And I'm not simply talking about his goals. He just seems to give maximum effort night in and night out. IMO, if given the C, Chimera will fill that role the way it should be filled.

I also think OV losing the C could very well take some pressure off OV. Sure he might feel slighted/embarrassed, and he could regress even more, but he also could embrace not having the entire team riding on his shoulders. Regardless, whether its getting caught calling BB's a name on the bench, or standing like a statue and watching an opposing player waltz in for a goal, OV has not played or acted like a Captain of an NHL this year. He probably won't get stripped of his C, but he should.

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11-28-2011, 10:29 AM
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i think if anything they do one of those rotating C's or have 3 Alternates...something like that.

with the way the team has played this season and during the sweep, no one really jumps out to me as a leader.....fwiw.

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11-28-2011, 10:31 AM
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IMO, there is no need in letter changes....
Players like Semin are expected to be caught bad mouthing the coach, and dogging it on the ice when they don't like what the coach is making them do. The Captain of the team should never do that. Whatever issues OV had with BB's he should of never made it public with his actions both on the bench and on the ice.

BB's got fired because he lost the team. OV should be fired as Captain because he spent more time acting like a spoiled brat and not the leader of the team.

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11-28-2011, 10:33 AM
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I don't think Hunter takes the C from Ovechkin.

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Razor5Hole: Bottom line on Boudreau firing in WSH: Coaches can't go from teddy bear to grizzly bear with same team (or vice versa)...

I don't think letters are changed either. Players will be shipped out if the same **** continues.

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i think if anything they do one of those rotating C's or have 3 Alternates...something like that.
If a change is made with the C, that would be a good way to do it so OV can save face.

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11-28-2011, 10:38 AM
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Razor5Hole: Bottom line on Boudreau firing in WSH: Coaches can't go from teddy bear to grizzly bear with same team (or vice versa)...

I don't think letters are changed either. Players will be shipped out if the same **** continues.
Razor5Hole | Daryl Reaugh | ...AND, it's not wise to turn the franchise's mustang stallion into a docile trail pony.

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I think that is quite an overstatement and a lot of conjecture on your part....

as for expectations.....it was playoffs, not necessarily winning the division. Its fine to say you think BB had to go, its your opinion of course....but no need to make stuff up and downplay what he did for the team
Gotta love it... let the revisionist history begin.

We hired a guy in BB with no NHL experience, and each and every time an adjustment needed to be made, we got:

"just get it in deeper... just work harder"

By not getting a real coach and hiring BB, the team blew the chances it had. Maybe the team could not have won the Cup, but surely, they could have done a lot better than they did.

The question now is: how many year(s) plan are we in for now?

Disgusting!

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11-28-2011, 10:40 AM
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I'm no Ted hater, but his use of the phrase "brand awareness" in the press release firing Bruce is just ... so very corporate and cheap and classless. FFS!

http://www.tedstake.com/2011/11/28/thank-you-bruce/

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11-28-2011, 10:43 AM
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Dale, welcome to the boys country club and to the Coaches' cemetery!

I doubt very much that a more stringent and a character full Coach ends up being Ovie's best friend.
In fact I expect Dale to be enemy #1 in a couple of weeks time.

There is no T on that team, just individuals.

However I hope for the sake of the fans that Dale can instill something that disappeared a long while back, a Team.

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Put me in the camp that would not yank the C from Ovechkin. The team needs to rehabilitate him, and get his head screwed on properly. He goes back to 100+ point form, and the rest will follow again.

The ideal scenario is that in a few weeks' time, we go from whatever bittersweet feelings exist today, to completely forgetting about Boudreau, like we forgot about Hanlon. Wistful look in the mirror at what Boudreau brought? I sure as hell hope not. I hope the team get hot, and quickly, and keeps winning.

Point being, no one is out to assign blame so much as to get the team winning again. It serves nothing to bring down the players, eke out another pound of flesh, no matter how much they're also to blame. Coaches get fired when the message stops making it through the players' heads. It's not that they forget how to coach, or that the players forget how to play, but that coaches stop being able to effectively coach a particular group of players.

My gut says that removing the C starts the clock on an Ovechkin trade. It rarely works out well. So work on enabling him to be a great captain. Get him hitting, even if it leads to a few suspensions, and get him playing his game. Fortunately, Hunter has coached superstars in London, and has some experience getting the most out of thoroughbreds.

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Just for the record...I dont think changing the letters is a good move. Ovechkin hasn't been great this season, but he's not the main reason the team has been on this slide.

Its just an overall cluster**** of these weak minded players being down in the dumps when **** goes wrong and not sticking to the system. Partially Ovie? Yeah, but not C stripping worthy yet.

They need to ship out the passengers. Semin, Schultz, and Hamrlik (what a god awful signing that was). They need to get Green healthy. They need to want to ****ing play. Hopefully Dale can ignite that spark.

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11-28-2011, 10:47 AM
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Hi guys. I am Dale. "We can't hear in the back." You will.

Ovi - i want you in the D's face. Everyone get his back.
Semin - find an open spot, everyone pass to him.
3rd and 4th line, dump it in, and pound the D.
Carlson Green Wideman - keep up the offensive pressure
3 LD You are my D specialists. Always stay back, forget what Bruce told you
Sarge - you are our big lunker back there, so WE need you to hit more
RD always shade over to cover him.
Protect the goalie at all costs, and for the love of god, clear the crease.

Everyone else, you know your job. Stand up for yourself and your teammates or I will bench your ass. We'll implement the Huntsie Family systems later. Go have fun tonight.

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Semin surely. Schultz possibly. Hamrlik could be a tougher player to dump. I could also see Hunter getting the most out of Hamrlik, maybe, or whatever is left in the tank.

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Players like Semin are expected to be caught bad mouthing the coach, and dogging it on the ice when they don't like what the coach is making them do. The Captain of the team should never do that. Whatever issues OV had with BB's he should of never made it public with his actions both on the bench and on the ice.

BB's got fired because he lost the team. OV should be fired as Captain because he spent more time acting like a spoiled brat and not the leader of the team.
I must have missed something, what did OV made public about BB? Or do you mean to say that "Fat ****" outburst (in the moment of anger) that was caught on tape was done to BB on purpose?
Also i did not see OV acting like a spoiled brat, a bit down and apathetic, maybe... but a spoiled brat? Don't get caught up in the bashful hype.

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11-28-2011, 10:48 AM
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Put me in the camp that would not yank the C from Ovechkin. The team needs to rehabilitate him, and get his head screwed on properly. He goes back to 100+ point form, and the rest will follow again.

The ideal scenario is that in a few weeks' time, we go from whatever bittersweet feelings exist today, to completely forgetting about Boudreau, like we forgot about Hanlon. Wistful look in the mirror at what Boudreau brought? I sure as hell hope not. I hope the team get hot, and quickly, and keeps winning.

Point being, no one is out to assign blame so much as to get the team winning again. It serves nothing to bring down the players, eke out another pound of flesh, no matter how much they're also to blame. Coaches get fired when the message stops making it through the players' heads. It's not that they forget how to coach, or that the players forget how to play, but that coaches stop being able to effectively coach a particular group of players.

My gut says that removing the C starts the clock on an Ovechkin trade. It rarely works out well. So work on enabling him to be a great captain. Get him hitting, even if it leads to a few suspensions, and get him playing his game. Fortunately, Hunter has coached superstars in London, and has some experience getting the most out of thoroughbreds.
Good post, you converted me. Still very disappointed in OV's conduct this year. Heres hoping Dark Dale can get OV back to his old self.

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I could also see Hunter getting the most out of Hamrlik, maybe, or whatever is left in the tank.
He's pretty ****ing awful man. That was just a really really bad signing from Mafki.

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I must have missed something, what did OV made public about BB? Or do you mean to say that "Fat ****" outburst (in the moment of anger) that was caught on tape was done to BB on purpose?
Also i did not see OV acting like a spoiled brat, a bit down and apathetic, maybe... but a spoiled brat? Don't get caught up in the bashful hype.
We each have our own opinions, and see things are own way. You saw one thing, I saw another. Tis the way of the world.

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Put me in the camp that would not yank the C from Ovechkin. The team needs to rehabilitate him, and get his head screwed on properly. He goes back to 100+ point form, and the rest will follow again.

The ideal scenario is that in a few weeks' time, we go from whatever bittersweet feelings exist today, to completely forgetting about Boudreau, like we forgot about Hanlon. Wistful look in the mirror at what Boudreau brought? I sure as hell hope not. I hope the team get hot, and quickly, and keeps winning.

Point being, no one is out to assign blame so much as to get the team winning again. It serves nothing to bring down the players, eke out another pound of flesh, no matter how much they're also to blame. Coaches get fired when the message stops making it through the players' heads. It's not that they forget how to coach, or that the players forget how to play, but that coaches stop being able to effectively coach a particular group of players.

My gut says that removing the C starts the clock on an Ovechkin trade. It rarely works out well. So work on enabling him to be a great captain. Get him hitting, even if it leads to a few suspensions, and get him playing his game. Fortunately, Hunter has coached superstars in London, and has some experience getting the most out of thoroughbreds.
Coaches are hired in 2 ways:

Proactively, and reactively.

Don't kid yourself: this is a reactive hire, and yet another year is blown as to results.

Buy hey, we got brand recognition!

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Yeah, I won't go far to defend him, but a veteran guy like that can sometimes find it in waves. Might be possible to motivate him to give what little is remaining. Reaching? Yeah, probably. A guy like that given license to mix it up a bit could perhaps be more useful.

I can't see that contract getting picked up, that's for sure. As soon as the defense gets healthy, you have to think he's sitting.

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Hi guys. I am Dale. "We can't hear in the back." You will.

Ovi - i want you in the D's face. Everyone get his back.
Semin - find an open spot, everyone pass to him.
3rd and 4th line, dump it in, and pound the D.
Carlson Green Wideman - keep up the offensive pressure
3 LD You are my D specialists. Always stay back, forget what Bruce told you
Sarge - you are our big lunker back there, so WE need you to hit more
RD always shade over to cover him.
Protect the goalie at all costs, and for the love of god, clear the crease.

Everyone else, you know your job. Stand up for yourself and your teammates or I will bench your ass. We'll implement the Huntsie Family systems later. Go have fun tonight.
One more thing, this is a stinky hockey glove - it belongs in the face of anyone still in the crease after the whistle blows.

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I'm no Ted hater, but his use of the phrase "brand awareness" in the press release firing Bruce is just ... so very corporate and cheap and classless. FFS!

http://www.tedstake.com/2011/11/28/thank-you-bruce/
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with that statement. It's full of class and when I was a manager, it's the type of stuff I would say to people calling me about good ex-employees asking for references.

It's a great endorsement. At the end of the day, it *is* a business, and even though Bruce's resume speaks for itself, it doesn't hurt to have an owner saying just how many ways an employee helped the organization.

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