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11-18-2011, 12:09 PM
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My Vezina conversation includes Ondrej Pavelec

Ondrej Pavelec just might be the best goaltender in the NHL. Okay, okay, before you start throwing names like Pekka Rinne, Craig Anderson, Mike Smith and Kari Lehtonen at me, I just want to point out that with a GAA of over 3 and save percentage of .900 Ondrej Pavelec remains in the discussion because of his abilitly to make a great deal of saves even in games where he gives up 3 or above. Seriously, he has been phenomenal this year in almost every game. Who knows, Winnipeg boasts the best goalie in the National Hockey League, that's something fans can jump on and ride a pretty long way. One things forsure, teams around the league are soon going to figure out just how good this guy really is, and I think the Winnipeg organization better realize this in a way that establishes more emphasis on defensive hockey. We have the guns to score, but can we play good enough in front of him?

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Sorry, he just doesn't have the stats for it. He's the team's MVP, but not a Vezina candidate.

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Perhaps in a few years but it would only garner laughs right now.

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I guess we can put the trade Pavelec thread to rest for now (from after the Philly game). Funny how quickly things change on this board.

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Pavs is good, but no where near the best

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Ondrej Pavelec just might be the best goaltender in the NHL. Okay, okay, before you start throwing names like Pekka Rinne, Craig Anderson, Mike Smith and Kari Lehtonen at me
Wait, what?!

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Sorry, he just doesn't have the stats for it. He's the team's MVP, but not a Vezina candidate.
A couple of bad games have skewed his stats. There is still A LOT of hockey left to be played.

I'm not saying ATM he is a Vezina candidate, but he absolutely has potential, and his numbers could still improve significantly as the season goes along, especially when Hainsey comes back, and if Byfuglien continues to recognize the ice has 3 zones

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Wait, what?!
Yeah, I dug deep, because I just don't think Jimmy Howard's a good goalie, nor do I believe Brian Elliot will remain the starter with Hitch and the boys playing well with Halak...can anyone be a Vezina winner while playing in Pittsburgh? Enroth has been good, but who knows, Khabibulin looks to be coming back to earth a bit, I like Winnipeg's chances with Pavelec moving forward..

Mike Smith has a GAA of 2.17 and SV % of .934...more importantly, he has a record with a Yotes club that was projected to take a dive of 8-3-3...

Lehtonen GAA is 2.47 and SV % of .925, a record of 11-3-0...and oh yeah, he's been playing for the Stars...um...Craig Anderson was mainly thrown in there because Ottawa is somehow doing it... but while there are a few others in Quick in Los Angeles, Jimmy Howard (ok, he's mention worthy!) and Niklas Backstrom, I know it's way too early, but I really like what I'm seeing develop.

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Sorry, he just doesn't have the stats for it. He's the team's MVP, but not a Vezina candidate.
Totally agree with u on this one.

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There are a lot of games where he has been mediocre. What games have you been watching, and some of those goalies you named.... Youch!

Vezina? LOL Lets skip the stats. He's been downright awful at times, but brilliant at others. But the latter is just as abundant as the aforementioned.

I don't think there should be a discussion of removing the guy from our team in the shape or form of a trade or this Vezina silliness. It's still too early, and neither discussion has much logic or sense to them.

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What?? You think a GAA over 3 and a .900 save percentage are vezina like numbers??

His .900 ranks 49th in the league (there are a handful of goalies with only a few games played).

His GAA ranks 54th in the league.

Ranks 24th in wins.

Ranks 5th in loses.


He is no where near Vezina contention.

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There are a lot of games where he has been mediocre. What games have you been watching, and some of those goalies you named.... Youch!

Vezina? LOL Lets skip the stats. He's been downright awful at times, but brilliant at others. But the latter is just as abundant as the aforementioned.

I don't think there should be a discussion of removing the guy from our team in the shape or form of a trade or this Vezina silliness. It's still too early, and neither discussion has much logic or sense to them.
Totally disagree with the bolded. He has been brilliant and been the reason this team has even had chances to win games a heck of a lot more than he has been awful.

The Jets coaches, players, and announcers continually talk about how Pavlec has been their best player and been the reason they have won some of their games.

But Vezina talk? I don't think he is in that discussion.

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11-18-2011, 02:06 PM
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sorry bro but he is no where near a vezina candidate at the moment.
come back in March and we can have this conversation again.

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Hey, I know a lot more save's need to be made for any type of discussion to take place, that the Jets as a whole are a long way away from, but all I'm saying is that this guy kicks out pucks like a Vezina winner. I don't know about you guys, but he looks THAT GOOD to me. Seriously. The team in front of him is terrible compared to how good he's been (and I mean no disrespect). If Winnipeg can tighten up the system a bit, get a few players going in Kane, Little and Buff...I think we could potentially see something very special as early as this season. Ondrej is Vezina capable and he'll have his bad games. I shouldn't have said Vezina perhaps, but I really think he's been one of the best so far.

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As much as I like Pavelec, until he plays on a defensive systemed team or carries this team on his back through the playoffs he won't be given consideration.

We watch him on a regular basis, so we know what he can do. Others really just look at stats.

Although I will say that NHL.com bothers me with it's bias towards certain players on their "plays of the week" etc. videos. Pav's has made some ridiculous saves that easily top some of those that are highlighted.

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eeeehhhhhh......sorry but I think you are way off, maybe a little case of homerism and league ignorance?

I dont doubt that Pavelec can be one of the better goalies in the NHL, he looks amazing some nights. The team defense has been brutal for the most part, so his stats are nowhere near showing of his ability.

But, you cant be serious if you think he is anywhere near Vezina consideration with those stats. There are MANY great goalies in this league, yes, even better than smith and anderson . Not everybody can be a vezina candidate. We should be happy with a goalie that has shown unreal ability and may be a top 10 goaltender in the near future.

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I like Pavelec but he's still considered to be a bottom 10 goalie in the league right now. Once the team gets better around him and if he can build some consistency he may get a shot one day. He's got talent but is a long, long ways from vezina candidacy.

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There are 6 starting goalies with a SV% of .930. Pavelec is no where near that right now. It would take two months of strong consistent play to pull that off. Give him 2-3 years and he'll find his way into these conversations.

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he does look like he has good potential but he is inconsistent....the goalie who was giving rebounds to the blue line 8 games ago is not gone....he's just hiding

it is amazing that his stats are so bad because he has been so good lately...shows how bad he was for the first 10 games.

hopefully in a couple of years we can have a more legitimate discussion about him winning awards.

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I think he definitely has the potential to be one of the top netminders in the league and, in fact, has played much better than his numbers would seem to indicate, in my opinion. His "weaknesses" as I see them are, in no particular order:
  • seems to get beat high to the glove side fairly often
  • rebound control could be better at times
  • seems to lose sight of the puck after making a save at times

Many of those are probably nitpicky.

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he does look like he has good potential but he is inconsistent....the goalie who was giving rebounds to the blue line 8 games ago is not gone....he's just hiding

it is amazing that his stats are so bad because he has been so good lately...shows how bad he was for the first 10 games.

hopefully in a couple of years we can have a more legitimate discussion about him winning awards.
..and how bad the defense was...

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I dunno if id blame the defence...He was pretty terrible.

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I dunno if id blame the defence...He was pretty terrible.
....... Yeah, ok. Buff hasn't been awful up until the past week or anything. Oduya didn't totally **** the bed in the first game. Jones didn't blow it in his first game or two. Enstrom didn't struggle in his first few games or anything.

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Totally disagree with the bolded. He has been brilliant and been the reason this team has even had chances to win games a heck of a lot more than he has been awful.

The Jets coaches, players, and announcers continually talk about how Pavlec has been their best player and been the reason they have won some of their games.

But Vezina talk? I don't think he is in that discussion.
I still say it's 50/50. Lots of games where he looked bad earlier on, but I gotta say he's turning it around. He even admitted to his weak play earlier on. Like others said, it will be a while before, if ever he reaches Vezina consideration this season. Or any NHL campaign from here on in, but it's definitely possible that we can have a Vezina discussion and he could be legitimately in it one day. Just not today.

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take away that Philly game and Pavs stats look much better

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