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11-30-2011, 08:27 PM
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I'll admit it, I am a little scared. Scratch that, I am pretty damn scared.


That said, pretty much every deal that makes logical sense from all we know at this point will result in a lot of hate for Murray, as most likely no piece will be as sexy as Ryan is. Even if the return is actually great and makes sense on all kinds of levels, there will be a lot of anger, I assume. And it would be understandable, to some degree.
I just legitimately do not want to lose Bobby Ryan, especially to save a dying season. He's an incredible talent and I know we'll regret the move for years.

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11-30-2011, 08:35 PM
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I just legitimately do not want to lose Bobby Ryan, especially to save a dying season. He's an incredible talent and I know we'll regret the move for years.
I hear you. I have a bad feeling in my gut about it, as well. I am not a fan that gets overly attached to my teams' players, but Ryan probably has been my first favourite Ducks skater other than Teemu. If or when he is traded, it will hurt. By all odds, there's no sexier name going to come back, so the return won't kill that pain instantly.

It will take time. We'll find out about reasoning, motivation. Some of it will be visible in deal. We are not trading him for a shake-up, in my mind. Absolutely not. GMs don't even consider trading guys like him lightly. We will just have to wait and see. And it would not hurt to brace ourselves for what's most likely going to sting quite a bit if/when it happens.

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11-30-2011, 08:42 PM
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I just legitimately do not want to lose Bobby Ryan, especially to save a dying season. He's an incredible talent and I know we'll regret the move for years.
I think the move is more for budgetary reasons. I don't want to see Ryan traded but if I'm choosing between trading Ryan, Getzlaf and Perry then I trade Ryan every time.

Keep in mind, Getzlaf, Perry & Fowler could be eating upwards of $21M in their next contracts.

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11-30-2011, 08:44 PM
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Dubinsky? I'm going to get a stroke.

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11-30-2011, 08:46 PM
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I think the move is more for budgetary reasons. I don't want to see Ryan traded but if I'm choosing between trading Ryan, Getzlaf and Perry then I trade Ryan every time.

Keep in mind, Getzlaf, Perry & Fowler could be eating upwards of $21M in their next contracts.
If the move is about the budget then you can't afford to lose his (regular) product for his contract. I would think.

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I hear you. I have a bad feeling in my gut about it, as well. I am not a fan that gets overly attached to my teams' players, but Ryan probably has been my first favourite Ducks skater other than Teemu. If or when he is traded, it will hurt. By all odds, there's no sexier name going to come back, so the return won't kill that pain instantly.

It will take time. We'll find out about reasoning, motivation. Some of it will be visible in deal. We are not trading him for a shake-up, in my mind. Absolutely not. GMs don't even consider trading guys like him lightly. We will just have to wait and see. And it would not hurt to brace ourselves for what's most likely going to sting quite a bit if/when it happens.
Yeah all we can do now is just wait and see. And drink.

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11-30-2011, 08:56 PM
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Dubinsky? I'm going to get a stroke.
Yeaaaah. I would not have a good time wrapping my head around him being the center piece, either. He's a fine player, but he seems like a very finished product to me. Someone with some upside would make me feel less empty.

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If the move is about the budget then you can't afford to lose his (regular) product for his contract. I would think.
For the first line, in my opinion, there always was an expiration date to RPG. There isn't many teams in the league that can afford to pay three guys on one line $5m. A budget team no less? Not exactly working. We need to find a simple good complimentary player to Getzlaf/Perry. They need to be good enough to not require a talent like Ryan to play with them. We need a guy like Burrows was/is to the Sedins. Then there is the question what we feel we can build our future 2nd line around. Around Ryan? Possibly. I would not be uncomfortable trying that. Around something else? Depending on what's available, I would be listening as well.

But who knows what other reasons we have or do not have for thinking about possibly trading Ryan.

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Yeah all we can do now is just wait and see. And drink.
Probably. But we need to be careful - no being too drunk before he is traded. Otherwise we risk experiencing having the news broken to us twice instead of just once.

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Dubinsky? I'm going to get a stroke.
Dubinsky is a fine player but doesn't really answer as a top young 2nd line center. To me he looks like a 35 year old Koivu. A solid 40-50 points and some defensive play. That doesn't solve our problems.

More and more this seems like a bit of a circus. I hope Murray is deliberately manufacturing a frenzy to tempt GM's into offering more than they otherwise would. But I don't have much faith in the return.

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11-30-2011, 09:02 PM
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11-30-2011, 09:09 PM
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Yeaaaah. I would not have a good time wrapping my head around him being the center piece, either. He's a fine player, but he seems like a very finished product to me. Someone with some upside would make me feel less empty.


For the first line, in my opinion, there always was an expiration date to RPG. There isn't many teams in the league that can afford to pay three guys on one line $5m. A budget team no less? Not exactly working. We need to find a simple good complimentary player to Getzlaf/Perry. They need to be good enough to not require a talent like Ryan to play with them. We need a guy like Burrows was/is to the Sedins. Then there is the question what we feel we can build our future 2nd line around. Around Ryan? Possibly. I would not be uncomfortable trying that. Around something else? Depending on what's available, I would be listening as well.

But who knows what other reasons we have or do not have for thinking about possibly trading Ryan.


Probably. But we need to be careful - no being too drunk before he is traded. Otherwise we risk experiencing having the news broken to us twice instead of just once.
I don't know about others but my mentality was that once Selanne left Ryan would be the center piece of the second line, spreading the dollars, as no you can't have all that tied up into one line for a long time unless you somehow have a ridiculous amount of guys on ELCs playing over their heads.

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11-30-2011, 09:20 PM
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My information is if Bobby Ryan is traded tonight he's not coming to New York.

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My information is if Bobby Ryan is traded tonight he's not coming to New York.
Good, cause I don't want Dubinsky to be the centrepiece of the trade.

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My information is if Bobby Ryan is traded tonight he's not coming to New York.
Understandable as it is far past their bedtime.

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If BM is so intent on the trading Bobby, he better be starting a huge bidding war between all those eastern powers. They'd hate a to see a rival pick him up.

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My information is if Bobby Ryan is traded tonight he's not coming to New York.
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Good, cause I don't want Dubinsky to be the centrepiece of the trade.
The quote isn't saying he WON'T be traded to NYR. It's saying that if he goes ANYWHERE tonight, it won't be NYR.

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My comment was made in general, not specifically related to Ryan.

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He seems... to know... too much.

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Dubinsky is a fine player but doesn't really answer as a top young 2nd line center. To me he looks like a 35 year old Koivu. A solid 40-50 points and some defensive play. That doesn't solve our problems.
That's exactly the problem. Guy like that must not be a centerpiece for a trade involving an elite winger that will soon score 40 or even 50 goals.

To me he looks like a lesser player than Koivu now. Typical #3C on a good team. For the love of god Murray, please don't do anything stupid, I am of little faith though.


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Just curious, would Ducks fans prefer Anisimov over Dubinsky?

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Carter was traded for Voracek, Couturier
M.Richards for Schenn, Simmonds

Dubinsky is just as good as Voracek or Simmonds
A top prospect would have to come back, Erixon on D or Thomas upfront is my guess
Zuccarello could be an add on with picks too

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11-30-2011, 10:11 PM
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Carter was traded for Voracek, Couturier
M.Richards for Schenn, Simmonds

Dubinsky is just as good as Voracek or Simmonds
A top prospect would have to come back, Erixon on D or Thomas upfront is my guess
Zuccarello could be an add on with picks too
The Ducks may well ask for more for Ryan than what Philly got for Carter. And while I agree with you that Dubinsky is just as good as Simmonds, the latter was just the 2nd best asset in his deal going to the Flyers. Dubinsky+Erixon+MZA+pick I do not see as a deal that should have the Ducks trade Ryan.

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