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11-29-2011, 12:15 AM
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Stastny is overpaid (salary wise), and Gaunce is a minor league player.
Gaunce will be a very solid NHLer but if you don't like him then you can have Olver. He put up 9 points in 18 games last year in his first NHL stint. And we can always accept cap dumps, were just above cap floor.

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11-29-2011, 12:16 AM
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=( figures. gonna give up a stud when we should just play this season out and re-tool with a high pick and the money coming off the books at the end of the year.

he will screw this up and were gonna see bobby rip holes in teams for years to come.

also, third line = less minutes to get hurt if they are shopping him.

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11-29-2011, 12:20 AM
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I'd hate to see a nice gold coin dissolved into three brass ones.
This times a thousand.

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If one of the big three has to go, I'd rather it was Ryan. One line teams can only get so far and with our budget I'd rather spend $5.1M on another quality centre or a #1 defenseman than Ryan.
I come in peace.....and I think trading one of the top 3 is a dumb idea. Knowing that you've got Ryan on a cap friendly deal for 3 more years after this one and the fact that Anaheim isn't going to be a team spending to the cap max makes it a worse idea. I definitely think not being able to spend to the max is hurting their overall depth. Not having the option to spend the $2.5-3 mil on 3rd liners (someone like Handzus wound have been a great fit for the Ducks in their bottom 6 this past summer) hurts.

A real #1 defenseman is going to cost upwards of $6 mil. And really, finding a decent 2nd line center making under $5 mil isn't easy anymore. You look at the top centers around the league scoring wise and there's few guys in the top 30 in scoring by centers making less than that (not counting guys on rookie deals). Even an average 2nd line center, someone like Olli Jokinen, is going to cost you at least $3 mil.

I also don't know that moving Ryan would be a good idea with Getzlaf and Perry's deals expiring after next season, unless you get a great deal. Selanne's going to retire soon, obviously Blake isn't going to be back at the money he currently makes. I doubt Koivu will be back and Beauchemin can be a UFA. You've got some great forward prospects but I don't think you'd want to send the message to Getzlaf and Perry that this might quickly turn into a rebuild.

Serious question- what do the Ducks do if a new CBA doesn't bring the cap back down some? If $60 mil is the max they can spend and the cap stays at about $65 mil or keeps increasing, what are they going to do?

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11-29-2011, 12:30 AM
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It would have to be a vast overpayment, imo, like Schenn + JVR.

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11-29-2011, 12:33 AM
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Agreed Paul. If Ryan goes the asset coming back needs to be a center or a big dman.
I'll sweeten the pot. Grabovski and Franson.

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11-29-2011, 12:42 AM
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Why would we trade Ryan, unless it's massive overpayment. I have a feeling we're going to get hosed.

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11-29-2011, 12:42 AM
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If I wake up to a stupid trade tomorrow I'm going to be pissed.

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11-29-2011, 12:47 AM
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If I wake up to a stupid trade tomorrow I'm going to be pissed.
I'm a little worried with Murray as our GM...

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11-29-2011, 12:52 AM
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I'm a little worried with Murray as our GM...
Im not he does good with big trades ala Pronger....

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11-29-2011, 01:09 AM
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Pens fans severely overrating their players

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11-29-2011, 01:11 AM
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Niskanen is the second coming of Orr

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11-29-2011, 01:17 AM
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Niskanen is the second coming of Orr
Yeah, I mean that's a trade I'd make if we had a surplus of scoring forwards and were short on D. How they think that is a good trade for US when we NEED depth and scoring is beyond me.

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11-29-2011, 01:18 AM
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Yeah, I mean that's a trade I'd make if we had a surplus of scoring forwards and were short on D. How they think that is a good trade for US when we NEED depth and scoring is beyond me.
Pittsburgh fans are just ********, worse then Sharks fans IMO

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11-29-2011, 01:38 AM
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Pittsburgh fans are just ********, worse then Sharks fans IMO
Look at the announcers that have trained them.....

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Look at the announcers that have trained them.....
Pens fan here in peace. IMO Staal + Niskanen is not too shabby if your management is dead set on moving him. Staal is actually impressing me this year and Niskanen while not Orr, is certainly better than Dallas fans made him out to be last year when he came to Pittsburgh. I'm not real sure why anybody would want to move Ryan in the first place but whatever.

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11-29-2011, 02:00 AM
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Of the big three, is Ryan really the one you're most likely to trade? I'd have figured you'd trade Perry before Ryan.
No way.

Perry is breaking out of his funk, he will put up 40 goals I bet.

I would LOVE to trade Getzlaf but every scenario just leaves us f'd at center.

I don't wanna see Ryan go, you know what it's just not our year, we've had so many bad bounces, especially when pulling the goalie...let's keep the core together, bring in an influx of talent next year(Holland/Palmieri/Etem) Draft Nail or Grigorenko and we'll be fine in no time....

the real problem here, is our so called franchise player, has been a lazy **** all season and it's trickled down.

now if we stack that forward talent, then the door opens to package Ryan for Weber if NASH can't get him signed.


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11-29-2011, 02:05 AM
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Trade Getzlaf's lazy ****ing ass... Then trade Perry...

Our returns individually would be stupid... **** BOB MURRAY!

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11-29-2011, 02:07 AM
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Remember last year, when Pens fans suggested Goligoski for Neal and got accused of the same thing?

Funny how that worked out...

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11-29-2011, 02:14 AM
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Remember last year, when Pens fans suggested Goligoski for Neal and got accused of the same thing?

Funny how that worked out...
Yeah, and therefore we can be sure that kennedy, nisk and orpik would be worth it!

At least that trade has helped both teams. This one would be severely in Pittsburgh's favour

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11-29-2011, 02:16 AM
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Yeah, and therefore we can be sure that kennedy, nisk and orpik would be worth it!
And how many Pens fans suggested that one was reasonable?

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And how many Pens fans suggested that was reasonable?
The 2 or 3 in there made it seem like it was a great deal for us. I didn't bother to go on their board and ask anyone else because I really don't care that much.

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11-29-2011, 02:35 AM
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I would actually be all for Ryan for Staal and something. Staal is EXACTLY what we need going forward as our 2nd line center.

But that's more of an off-season trade, I cant say it enough...we need to tank and tank bad, not win meaningless games if we were able to draft Nail or Grigorenko then trading Ryan is so much easier to stomach.

We could be set for years down the middle with Getzlaf-Staal-Holland with Perry, Etem, Palmieri, DSP and Yakupov as wingers.

My top wet dream here is to get Nail, and then move Ryan in the summer in a package deal for Weber.

Weber/Fowler/Sbisa/Beauch/Lydman/Schultz is eons better, and we could get alot for Vish if he comes back healthy and productive at the deadline

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11-29-2011, 02:42 AM
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The 2 or 3 in there made it seem like it was a great deal for us. I didn't bother to go on their board and ask anyone else because I really don't care that much.
Two. Measured against a much larger number of more level-headed proposals from the fanbase.

But hey, it's just easier to blab stereotypes and then claim you don't care enough to bother to check.

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Christ... Is this legit? And to think I didn't think Murray could get any worse...

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