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11-29-2011, 03:44 PM
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Does anyone else feel that Byfuglien is an integral part of our core group? I really really don't want to see him go.

Wanting Ryan is a no-brainer.. but it's already hard for me to think about trading away one of our own(?!?)

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This is all pretty interesting, so we'll see where it goes from here.

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11-29-2011, 03:50 PM
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Does anyone else feel that Byfuglien is an integral part of our core group? I really really don't want to see him go.

Wanting Ryan is a no-brainer.. but it's already hard for me to think about trading away one of our own(?!?)
I think Byfuglien is a great player to have most of the time, but he isn't really a guy that is a "core" player to me. I mean the players have to kind of change the way when he's on the ice. A player that I would call a core player, one that you build your team around, is one that instantly makes everyone much better when he's on the ice on his own. IMO you kind of have to build for Buff first to make him effective (by making sure you get a very responsible Defensive-D to play with him) before you can really utilize him properly.

We are doing very well without Enstrom and when he comes back, I think we could do just as good, probably better, without Buff. Just my opinion though.

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11-29-2011, 03:52 PM
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To Anaheim: Little + Byfuglien
To Winnipeg: Ryan
This would be really interesting. If Little returns to his 30-goal season form and Byfuglien solidifies his defensive game (i.e. doesn't give up multiple 2-on-1s a game), we'd really get burned on this.

That one's a serious head-scratcher.

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Bah. I'm supposed to study for the big fat exam in a week and also go to bed so I can watch the game before class tomorrow, but I can't do either since I just want to know more about this rumor... Damn you Anaheim!

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11-29-2011, 04:25 PM
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I think Byfuglien is a great player to have most of the time, but he isn't really a guy that is a "core" player to me. I mean the players have to kind of change the way when he's on the ice. A player that I would call a core player, one that you build your team around, is one that instantly makes everyone much better when he's on the ice on his own. IMO you kind of have to build for Buff first to make him effective (by making sure you get a very responsible Defensive-D to play with him) before you can really utilize him properly.

We are doing very well without Enstrom and when he comes back, I think we could do just as good, probably better, without Buff. Just my opinion though.
Agree 100%. My opinion on Byfuglien in my post as part of this "core" is geared more toward locker room stuff, bonding, brotherhood, feeling safer on the ice with that mammoth on D, team showers, etc..

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Not willing to give up anything for Bobby Ryan.

I'd give up Postma for Iginla

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Not willing to give up anything for Bobby Ryan.

I'd give up Postma for Iginla
Really? You wouldn't be willing to trade Kulda, Jaffray and a 5th to Anaheim for Ryan?

I'd be apprehensive about giving up core players on this team, but 'not willing' to do it at all seems pretty rushed to judgment.

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I think Byfuglien is a great player to have most of the time, but he isn't really a guy that is a "core" player to me. I mean the players have to kind of change the way when he's on the ice. A player that I would call a core player, one that you build your team around, is one that instantly makes everyone much better when he's on the ice on his own. IMO you kind of have to build for Buff first to make him effective (by making sure you get a very responsible Defensive-D to play with him) before you can really utilize him properly.

We are doing very well without Enstrom and when he comes back, I think we could do just as good, probably better, without Buff. Just my opinion though.
Agreed.

If there's a smidgin of a chance at getting Ryan and Buff is needed in the package to get him, then put a bow on his head and send him off.

He's never going to be worth what he is being paid and even though he can put in the occasional goal or assist, it's not worth all the things he does wrong at his position imo.

And as much as I love Bryan Little, if it was those 2 being offered for Bobby I would make the deal. Ryan if he stays healthy is a 70+ point season guy and from the looks of it is only going to get better. That is a core guy which right now we have very few of.

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Really? You wouldn't be willing to trade Kulda, Jaffray and a 5th to Anaheim for Ryan?
Uh-oh. Do I smell our new "trade meme"?

Jaffray + Kulda + 5th >>> Ryder + Halak + 2nd, AINEC


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Uh-oh. Do I smell our new "trade meme"?

Jaffray + Kulda + 5th >>> Ryder + Halak + 4th, AINEC
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We do have the assests, in fact, we could probably trade Enstrom and a prospect or roster player for him. Actually, I know we could. Enstrom is a top defensemen and a favorite of mine so I'd have to think about it, however. I don't know if I could see any justification in losing him. Getting an offensive threat in return would have me think hard about it though.

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Apparently Anaheim's looking for a 2C, top 4 defenceman and a top prospect/first round pick. Speculating here, but what would you guys figure Winnipeg would be able to fit into those categories? Little, Hainsey and Klingberg?

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This would be really interesting. If Little returns to his 30-goal season form and Byfuglien solidifies his defensive game (i.e. doesn't give up multiple 2-on-1s a game), we'd really get burned on this.

That one's a serious head-scratcher.
You wouldn't trade Little and Byfuglien for a bona fide 40-90 man who is still young and has potential?

I like Little A LOT, but our team instantly gets better with this deal, not only by getting a legit game changer, but by jettisoning a guy who bleeds goals for us.

I don't think that Anaheim touches that deal with a 10 foot pole but if they do, you send a lear jet to Cali to pick Ryan up and never look back.

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Apparently Anaheim's looking for a 2C, top 4 defenceman and a top prospect/first round pick. Speculating here, but what would you guys figure Winnipeg would be able to fit into those categories? Little, Hainsey and Klingberg?
Lol.

Try Little, Enstrom, Cormier, and a 2nd. Something Anaheim's GM would be a fool not to consider, and something Cheveldayoff would think about. You gotta give up to get. We lose our star defensemen, but we acquire a top offensive threat. Like I said, it's hard to justify trading Enstrom, but...if Bogosian is really coming through I could see it being motivation, well not motivation, maybe lesiure having the ability to wanting to trade Enstrom or Byfuglien.

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^^^ When do get a love affair with Ryan? lol I must have missed this.

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Lol.

Try Little, Enstrom, Cormier, and a 2nd. Something Anaheim's GM would be a fool not to consider, and something Cheveldayoff would think about. You gotta give up to get. We lose our star defensemen, but we acquire a top offensive threat. Like I said, it's hard to justify trading Enstrom, but...if Bogosian is really coming through I could see it being motivation, well not motivation, maybe lesiure having the ability to wanting to trade Enstrom or Byfuglien.
As much as I'd miss Enstrom, I wouldn't mind that. We've proven we have some great defensive depth.

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I'd go Little, Enstrom and a second round pick.

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I'd go Little, Enstrom and a second round pick.
Overpayment much?

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I can't believe that you guys seriously would trade Enstrom for him. They want a to-4 dman, they don't require a legit-#1.

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I can't believe that you guys seriously would trade Enstrom for him. They want a to-4 dman, they don't require a legit-#1.
The guy scores at an elite pace. I'm not saying I'd give up Enstrom for him (love Toby) but it's not an overpayment.

Toby is a top defenceman in the league. That is what the Ducks are looking for, and that is fair value for someone who has already scored 110 goals in his first 3 NHL seasons.

EDIT: Not to mention you are trading 1+ year of Toby for 3+ years of Ryan.

More than fair value. I believe we would have to throw something else in.

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I can't believe that you guys seriously would trade Enstrom for him. They want a to-4 dman, they don't require a legit-#1.
i might get slammed for this but i just dont see Enstrom as a legit #1?

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i might get slammed for this but i just dont see Enstrom as a legit #1?
You don't seemed convinced of this. lol

Needless to say, if he's not a legit #1, then you have a very short list of #1's.

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^^^ When do get a love affair with Ryan? lol I must have missed this.
What love affair? It's called 40 goal scorer. I want as many of em as I can get, guess I have a "love affair" for a ton of players lol.

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You wouldn't trade Little and Byfuglien for a bona fide 40-90 man who is still young and has potential?

I like Little A LOT, but our team instantly gets better with this deal, not only by getting a legit game changer, but by jettisoning a guy who bleeds goals for us.
Well of course when you use reason my idea sounds ridiculous . I suppose I might do Little and Byfuglien for Ryan. I'm fairly undecided.

There is a lot of risk in it though. Remember that while Ryan has had 3 very good years in the NHL, he's not guaranteed to keep putting up those numbers. Contrary to your bona fide 40-90 statement, he's on pace for 24 goals and 38 points this year. Little is on pace for 21 goals and 38 points this year. With how little time Byfuglien has had decent coaching as a defenseman there's no way to predict how he might turn out.

I'm also not sure why Anaheim would want to get rid of this guy, as bad as he's been this year. You have to wonder if there's more to the story.

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