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11-29-2011, 02:37 PM
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Schenn + Gunnarsson + Colborne is what it would take I bet; and in my opinion there is no call back from the Leafs.

With the Ducks looking for a stabilizing force on their second line, an ideal second/first line center, its a non-starter for the Leafs, and I hate to say it.
And I wouldn't even look at that trade if I were the Leafs.

I would gladly give them a stabilizing force on their second line like MacA and/or Grabovski, but not a chance I send off two of our best defensemen for another bump in scoring and a future first/second line center who is doing EVERYTHING right.

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11-29-2011, 02:41 PM
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And I wouldn't even look at that trade if I were the Leafs.

I would gladly give them a stabilizing force on their second line like MacA and/or Grabovski, but not a chance I send off two of our best defensemen for another bump in scoring and a future first/second line center who is doing EVERYTHING right.
Anaheim wouldn't replace Ryan with one our our lessor forwards.

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11-29-2011, 02:41 PM
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I truly hope Grabovski is kept. Need some insurance for Connolly, especially considering he isn't a long term option as of right now. If Kulemin + Kadri is the asking price, I don't have a problem with that.



Nobody is giving up on him. You have to give quality to get quality.
I wouldn't have a problem even if we added a guy like Franson to that deal. Ryan has 40 goal potential.

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11-29-2011, 02:43 PM
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Agreed. Leafs have to compete with 28 other teams, many of whom can offer a better package than what we might want to give up.
So if I understand you correctly, the Leafs don't have first right of refusal on all players that may be possibly traded? Huh, who knew?

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11-29-2011, 02:45 PM
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it would hurt....

but i'd offer Schenn + Kadri

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grabovski and Kulemin.


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i would rather ship off the equivalent of 3 first rounders and a salary dump
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Lombardi (3.5)
Kadri
Colborne
one of Gunnarson/Aulie/Franson



i'm not sure Ducks go for that unless they want to enter the Yakupov sweepstakes.


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if burke gave up 2 firsts and second for Kessel (which was overpayment IMHO)
then he should give up about the same for Ryan.
Kessel and Ryan about equal value players in my books.
Dear God, I love Ryan and all, but that is a rediculous price to pay! Even if its not good value for the ducks, those are two NHL ready blue chip prospects + a decent C in Lombardi + Gunnarsson?

Makes me want to puke.

I'd rather have depth.

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11-29-2011, 02:48 PM
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As much as I like to see Bobby Ryan in a Leafs uniform, and I also would like for Kadri to get a fair shot in the NHL with a team like the Ducks. I hate to say it but Burk is going All american on us

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11-29-2011, 02:49 PM
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As much as I like to see Bobby Ryan in a Leafs uniform, and I also would like for Kadri to get a fair shot in the NHL with a team like the Ducks. I hate to say it but Burk is going All american on us
Considering the names being floated around in the trade market right now, I would rather go all American than all Russian

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11-29-2011, 02:55 PM
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Where are people getting Ryan isn't physical? For those who haven't seen him play more than once, some interesting stats:
-Throughout this current season (11/12) he ranks 2nd among forwards on the Ducks in hits(37) (in 10/11 he finished 2nd as well)
-->If he were on the Leafs he would also be 2nd among forwards in hits, behind only bottom 6 checker David Steckel
-In 10/11 he finished 39th in hits among forwards with 159hits (more than Kunitz, Clowe, Setoguchi and any Leafs forward)

The bottom line is Bobby Ryan is a 24 year old forward who can slot in quite comfortably at all LW/RW/C. He is 6'2 216lbs and plays like it. He is coming off 3 consecutive 31G+ seasons and his best point total of 71pts last season. The most amazing thing however, is that he does most this at ES due to the fact that he is preserved as a 2nd PP threat being given only less than half the PPTOI/G that Getzlaf/Perry/Selanne receive. He is signed at the very affordable cap hit of 5.1M for the next three seasons following this current one, which will take him right into his prime. Given the right mix of minutes and ideal situation Bobby Ryan should be a threat to score 40-45G and 85pts+ in the future.

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11-29-2011, 02:55 PM
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Anaheim wouldn't replace Ryan with one our our lessor forwards.
Never said they would. But I don't value Ryan all that highly, to be honest.

I see no urgency or need for his services.

We already have an issue with our depth being too good and having a lot of youth that seems totally capable of contributing at the NHL level. So, why push them further down the depth chart or to the AHL?

I mean we already have Lombardi and Armstrong coming back from injuries. Where would Ryan slot in?

You'd have to deal one of MacA/Grab/Kule to do this deal. And I don't really see Ryan as a severe upgrade to any of them. Kule is struggling offensively, but what he brings in every other aspect is not replaceable. MacA, for his price, is just fine. Sure, Ryan is better, but I don't see the need to switch it up. Grabs is the only one I am blaze about but mainly because he hasn't been aggressive shooting the puck this season .. but the dude has skills.

Does Ryan make us better? Yeah, I guess. But it depends what we give up. He'd probably make us immediately better - but long term, I don't want us to be handicapped.

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Anaheim wouldn't replace Ryan with one our our lessor forwards.
Why would they care about their living arrangements?

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Considering the names being floated around in the trade market right now, I would rather go all American than all Russian
guess you do have a point -

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As much as I like to see Bobby Ryan in a Leafs uniform, and I also would like for Kadri to get a fair shot in the NHL with a team like the Ducks. I hate to say it but Burk is going All american on us
At least the Americans won't run away to the KHL.

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Kadri, Kulemin Aulie for Ryan. They get 2 prospects and a replacement, we get an immediate upgrade.

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Is there anyone else on the Ducks that might improve our team?
I don't mean Getzlaf, Perry, Selanne but some 3rd liner etc

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Kadri, Kulemin Aulie for Ryan. They get 2 prospects and a replacement, we get an immediate upgrade.
It'd hurt.. But fair.

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That's in Idaho.. Pretty sure if he moved to Toronto, he'd be CLOSER to that, then if he were to stay in Anaheim.

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Anyone have any idea how we fit him under the cap? We've already got some bad contracts that would have to be dealt with. We've got 11 million tied up in Lombardi, Komisarek and Armstrong -- guy's who don't even seem to have a place on the team anymore.

Burke would have to get pretty ****ing creative to bring Ryan in.

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You'd think the Leafs have a better shot being in the East. I don't know how much of a factor that plays, but a team like Philly sent both their stars to the West. Obviously there are many exceptions, but in this case, I think if he gets dealt its to the East.

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11-29-2011, 03:07 PM
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Can't be Kule + Grabo without a conditional pick involved. Maybe add a prospect to both sides

Kule + Grabo + Prospect

Ryan + Lower grade prospect

They get a high pick if both of em don't re-sign, a lower pick if 1 does, and we get a pick if both do.

If none of them re-sign and they lose Kule and Grabo AND Selanne they'd be ****ed for years.

By high i mean earlier round, low later round. DWI

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11-29-2011, 03:11 PM
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i really think this deal is more than fair.

To Toronto:
- Bobby Ryan

To Anaheim
- Cody Franson OR Carl Gunnerson
- Nazem Kadri
- Nikolai Kulemin
- Conditional 2nd Round Pick (If Leafs Make Playoffs)


Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
Mac - Connolly - Ryan
Frattin - Grabs - Crabb (Armstrong)
Brown - Steckel - Dupuis

* Lombardi


we keep our C depth incase Connolly gets hurt and if Bozaks hot streak ends i believe Grabs will go back up to either the #1 or #2 and Bozak down to #3 and we would be a very solid team

That team has a balanced attack, all 3 lines can score and i eventually envision Grabs on the top line and Bozak on the #3.

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Kadri, Kulemin Aulie for Ryan. They get 2 prospects and a replacement, we get an immediate upgrade.
Considering their need for depth, a defenseman, and all the other interest for Ryan around the league increasing his value, that's near perfect for what they would be looking for. Either Franson or Aulie could be that dman. It's a good chunk we'd have to pay, but I think Ryan's offense will pay dividends. The offensive style that we play can only work to his advantage.

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11-29-2011, 03:13 PM
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Anyone have any idea how we fit him under the cap? We've already got some bad contracts that would have to be dealt with. We've got 11 million tied up in Lombardi, Komisarek and Armstrong -- guy's who don't even seem to have a place on the team anymore.

Burke would have to get pretty ****ing creative to bring Ryan in.
Kulemin plus Grabovski.

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Kulemin plus Grabovski.
I would sooner keep Grabovski and replace him with Connolly plus if it can be done.

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Defense wins championships.

I just want you all to keep that in mind when throwing 2 of our top 4 D-men the other way.

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