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11-30-2011, 03:15 PM
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I wasn't a huge fan of the call on Kunitz. But he has to be more aware, I suppose. He got away with a charge earlier in the game. It was safe to assume the refs would be watching him carefully.

What was far worse, in my opinion, was the play Sidney the Kidney just pointed out. That no-look, behind the net, centering pass to nowhere that basically ended the game for the Penguins. There was time... he had no business trying that play. Either get your head up and make a smart play or wait for the support of your teammates to continue the cycle. It wasn't absolutely imperative that he get that puck out in front that instant.

That's the kind of hockey I loathe seeing Kunitz try to play and that he's been trying far too much of, this season. A finesse player, he is not. He needs to keep it simple and play more like he was on Staal's line at various points this year. Not like a skilled perimeter player.

Overall pretty disappointed with him, in general, this season.

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11-30-2011, 04:02 PM
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- I feel like a broken record because I have been saying this for the last 3 weeks, but the Pens are struggling badly in their own end. The fwds really need to recognize their assignments quickly, especially off the rush. I have seen guys going to the wrong man and leaving players wide open on the backside constantly. When in doubt, always backcheck to the middle... it is frustrating to watch at times.

DB has obviously addressed this by now, but apparently the message isn't getting through.

- I have an honest question... exactly how badly does Adams have to play, to get benched? This guy literally can't carry the puck across the blueline without falling down.

He is a comedy of offensive ineptitude. In one sequence he fell over the blueline with the puck (with no one around him) and lost it leading to a great scoring chance for the Rags... 15s later he got the puck back and skated (I use that term loosely) up the ice losing his balance the entire way, then fell down again and you could see Giradi giggling to himself as the puck harmlessly floated to him.

It doesn't matter if he absolutely kills any momentum the 4th line has and is a liability at ES, he blocked a shot on the 5-3! He is the best PKer on the team! *cough*

- Staal's vision is so vastly improved that I am literally in shock. When you have a guy who is constantly finding the weak side point, you know he is feeling it and seeing the entire ice.

If he keeps up this play, DB really has to think hard about making him the 2nd line pivot and pushing Malkin up with Crosby.

Then slide Vitale into Staal's spot and get him away from the blackhole that is Craig Adams. Vitale, Dupuis and Cooke had some great chemistry together early in the year... so that third line would probably be jumping. In reality Vitale is deserving of more minutes and a guy like TK should be toiling on the 4th line until he gets his head straight.
I felt that it was kind of harsh to scratch Park in favor of Adams to be quite honest with you. Park is better in practically every single facet of the game, except perhaps in terms of physicality. Park is faster, a better overall skater, pretty good with the puck, has a better shot, and is also very good defensively and on the PK. At the moment the only advantage Adams really has over him is tenure, and his willingness to get his face beat in from time to time.

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11-30-2011, 04:03 PM
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I wasn't a huge fan of the call on Kunitz. But he has to be more aware, I suppose. He got away with a charge earlier in the game. It was safe to assume the refs would be watching him carefully.

What was far worse, in my opinion, was the play Sidney the Kidney just pointed out. That no-look, behind the net, centering pass to nowhere that basically ended the game for the Penguins. There was time... he had no business trying that play. Either get your head up and make a smart play or wait for the support of your teammates to continue the cycle. It wasn't absolutely imperative that he get that puck out in front that instant.

That's the kind of hockey I loathe seeing Kunitz try to play and that he's been trying far too much of, this season. A finesse player, he is not. He needs to keep it simple and play more like he was on Staal's line at various points this year. Not like a skilled perimeter player.

Overall pretty disappointed with him, in general, this season.
He had a rough game in general, so I'm wondering if it was even a wise choice to have him out there to begin with.

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11-30-2011, 04:13 PM
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Adams needs to be a PK specialist. I can understand putting him on the ice in a defensive situation with Sid taking the draw, but it's so frustrating to see the play die on his stick time and time again.

Looking at Neal's icetime, 15 minutes DB? That shift by Staal-Neal in the third should have catapulted his minutes. Rolling Sid/Geno and Staal/Neal needs to happen with authority when we need a goal.

Another poster said it on here, but I wouldn't be against Sid on Geno's wing in a 1st line role until Sid gets back in form. Sid takes the draws and Geno carries the mail. See what Staal can do with Neal on the 2nd line.

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11-30-2011, 04:58 PM
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Despite the game's result, gotta give a huge plus to Mike Emrick. After Kennedy and Avery went back to the box with majors, Emrick noted the Rangers lead the league in majors.

"The guys in the blue shirts are the toughest guys in the Federal Le,...er, National Hockey League."

Absolutely classic.

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11-30-2011, 05:01 PM
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Adams needs to be a PK specialist. I can understand putting him on the ice in a defensive situation with Sid taking the draw, but it's so frustrating to see the play die on his stick time and time again.

Looking at Neal's icetime, 15 minutes DB? That shift by Staal-Neal in the third should have catapulted his minutes. Rolling Sid/Geno and Staal/Neal needs to happen with authority when we need a goal.

Another poster said it on here, but I wouldn't be against Sid on Geno's wing in a 1st line role until Sid gets back in form. Sid takes the draws and Geno carries the mail. See what Staal can do with Neal on the 2nd line.
Frankly, Sid, Geno, Staal, and Neal should be playing a combined 80 minutes a game at a minimum (unless it's a blowout). If they don't, then Bylsma screwed the pooch. But, hey, you know how it is, those Craig Adams ES shifts are too important to skip too often (like always).

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11-30-2011, 05:16 PM
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Adams needs to be a PK specialist. I can understand putting him on the ice in a defensive situation with Sid taking the draw, but it's so frustrating to see the play die on his stick time and time again.

Looking at Neal's icetime, 15 minutes DB? That shift by Staal-Neal in the third should have catapulted his minutes. Rolling Sid/Geno and Staal/Neal needs to happen with authority when we need a goal.

Another poster said it on here, but I wouldn't be against Sid on Geno's wing in a 1st line role until Sid gets back in form. Sid takes the draws and Geno carries the mail. See what Staal can do with Neal on the 2nd line.
Yes, Neal got 15 minutes because they were killing penalties the last 12 minutes of the game.

If people are going to complain, pay SOME attention to the game situation.

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11-30-2011, 05:19 PM
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It's getting to the point where I agree with those wondering if Adams really has a spot on the Pens any more. The one thing he excels at -- PK -- is an area we've got depth at. Staal, Cooke, Dupuis regularly PK, and if you dress Park over Adams, you've got Park and/or Vitale who can take Adams' spot as the fourth member in the top two PK units.

At even strength, Adams really is a liability when the Pens have the puck. While he does add more physicality than Park, this team should have enough physical forwards that losing one guy who can hit shouldn't make a huge difference. And considering all the other areas of the game (skating, shooting, passing, puck handling, etc.) that Park would bring more to the table, I don't see why Adams still dresses.

When Jeffrey comes back, that's an even bigger reason to scratch Adams. Put Jeffrey on LW, move Asham back to his natural RW, and keep Vitale at C. It's a good combination of defense, physicality, forechecking, and decent skill.

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11-30-2011, 05:27 PM
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Yes, Neal got 15 minutes because they were killing penalties the last 12 minutes of the game.

If people are going to complain, pay SOME attention to the game situation.
Players who had more ES minutes than Neal (10:10). Dupuis (12:37) Kunitz (13:47) Cooke (12:04)

Sid and Geno had 5 minutes more each. Neal isn't leading us in pts for no reason. Neal doesn't PK but he needs to be out there for nearly as many ES minutes as our top guns every night imo.

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11-30-2011, 05:29 PM
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+ Sully-Malkin-Neal: great line that is really coming together well (Sully needs to step up though)
+ Sid and Dupuis: continue showing great chemistry, Sid is turning Pascal into a bonafide first liner

- Fleury
- Orpik/Defence
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11-30-2011, 07:18 PM
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Players who had more ES minutes than Neal (10:10). Dupuis (12:37) Kunitz (13:47) Cooke (12:04)

Sid and Geno had 5 minutes more each. Neal isn't leading us in pts for no reason. Neal doesn't PK but he needs to be out there for nearly as many ES minutes as our top guns every night imo.
That is completely ****** up.

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+ Sully-Malkin-Neal: great line that is really coming together well (Sully needs to step up though)
+ Sid and Dupuis: continue showing great chemistry, Sid is turning Pascal into a bonafide first liner

- Fleury
- Orpik/Defence
- Penalties
I'm am fairly certain that Sully and Kunitz are be in competition with one another for #1 contender to perennial where plays go to his stick to die champion Craig Adams . . .

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11-30-2011, 07:46 PM
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Park is miles ahead of Adams and needs to be playing over him. Adams is nice when he's on the PK but then you realize Park can do the same thing and be a threat even strength.

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I thought it was relatively clear given the context, but I guess I was wrong.

My point remains, if you want to discuss Dupuis's position in the lineup be my guest.
It wasn't anattack, don't worry Dupuis needs to go sounded pretty clear. Normally I would agree that he should not be on the top line, but as long as its working I see no need for a change, he's red hot right now.

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Park is miles ahead of Adams and needs to be playing over him. Adams is nice when he's on the PK but then you realize Park can do the same thing and be a threat even strength.
Guys like Adams who earn the trust of the HC defensively are gonna be tough to get pushed out of the lineup. I don't agre Park can bring the same type of game on PK but I would like to see him over Adams for a couple games.

I still say Tangradi/Vitale were money on the cycle.

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