Hagelins been amazing, but Mitchell has been just as, if not even more impressive. The calmness that guy has with the puck is unreal. Just an incredibly poised and intelligent player. He shoulda made this team over EC to begin with. Send EC to Hartford as soon as Rupp comes back.
People are more excited about Hagelin because he has more upside. There is a feeling that we got what we got with Mitchell, whereas with Hagelin it is just the beginning and he will continue to improve at least until the end of the next season, maybe for another season.
People suddenly see him as a 50-60 point player, and get excited. Hope they are not disappointed when he turns into only a 35-40 point player.
I'd rather have a competent 4th liner than an incompetent 2nd liner.
Whoever it is that we need, Wolski ain't it.
I honestly think that the hate and criticism on Wolski is rather harsh on these boards.
I don't think that we have seen enough games of him as a Ranger to make a clear determination of who he is and what we have in him. Sometimes it is real tough on a player to make a transition to a new team and a new, hard-nosed coach in the middle of a season. It's an adjustment, and sometimes it takes longer than it does with other players.
Two years ago with COL and PHX he combined to have 65 points in 80 GP, including 4 goals in a 7 game playoff series with PHX. Last season Dubinsky led our team with 54 points.
There was a lot of talk about how hard he was working during the off-season, especially on his skating, and he hasn't had the opportunity to prove himself because he hurt his groin in camp.
I still see the potential for this guy to be a solid, important player on this team this year.
I honestly think that the hate and criticism on Wolski is rather harsh on these boards.
I don't think that we have seen enough games of him as a Ranger to make a clear determination of who he is and what we have in him. Sometimes it is real tough on a player to make a transition to a new team and a new, hard-nosed coach in the middle of a season. It's an adjustment, and sometimes it takes longer than it does with other players.
Two years ago with COL and PHX he combined to have 65 points in 80 GP, including 4 goals in a 7 game playoff series with PHX. Last season Dubinsky led our team with 54 points.
There was a lot of talk about how hard he was working during the off-season, especially on his skating, and he hasn't had the opportunity to prove himself because he hurt his groin in camp.
I still see the potential for this guy to be a solid, important player on this team this year.
Ok, fine. Put him with Mitchell and Hagelin, see where it goes.
Unfortunately it means Avery seats, which is very much not fair to him.
I hope next year Avery gets a contract from a team with a coach who respects his game. He is a good player, and he it's not doing anything stupid anymore.
Maybe rotate Avery and Wolski, depending on whether we play a team like Montreal or a team like Philly.
I honestly think that the hate and criticism on Wolski is rather harsh on these boards.
I don't think that we have seen enough games of him as a Ranger to make a clear determination of who he is and what we have in him. Sometimes it is real tough on a player to make a transition to a new team and a new, hard-nosed coach in the middle of a season. It's an adjustment, and sometimes it takes longer than it does with other players.
Two years ago with COL and PHX he combined to have 65 points in 80 GP, including 4 goals in a 7 game playoff series with PHX. Last season Dubinsky led our team with 54 points.
There was a lot of talk about how hard he was working during the off-season, especially on his skating, and he hasn't had the opportunity to prove himself because he hurt his groin in camp.
I still see the potential for this guy to be a solid, important player on this team this year.
Completely agreed. And I think if people are honest, they'd have to admit that he was actually playing pretty well (and with the style/edge that Torts wants) in his limited duty this year before he got hurt. Given that the groin - which turned out to be a hernia - had been hampering him since training camp at least, I'm looking forward to seeing what he brings when he comes back fully healthy. As you say, he's been a 65 point player in the past - there are ONLY 2 other guys on this roster we can say that about: Gaborik & Richards. And he's 24.
I'm not saying that he gets a free pass or is untouchable by any means - if he tails off the way he did at the end of last year, he should sit. But, by the same token, he should be given a shot. This team is a whole different animal if he finds his game and settles in.
LW depth looks a whole lot different with Hagelin added to the mix - and WW playing well.
I was one of his big supporters. I was going to vote him as our top-5 prospect last time, but I didn't want to get yelled at. That said, dude... all of ya... chill out... 60 points? That's a first liner right there.
If he's a 30-35 point speedster who plays good defense, we have a great third liner.
If he can consistently get over 45 points per game while playing good defense, we should all be jumping for joy.
Way, way too early to talk about him as a 60 point player.
That has to be some kind of record!
OnT: Loving what he brings, hopefully he keeps it up!
Carl Hagelin reminds me of Scott Gomez, with the hockey IQ. Alright, not a great comparison, but his speed is so awesome.
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6 shots, 3 blocks, 1 assist, in 11:50 of ice time--all even-strength.
That's a pretty impressive third NHL game.
And what an assist it was. He showed a transition game we have desperately lacked, he entered the offensive zone with puck possession, without the dreaded dump and fail. That drop pass to Mitchell was a beauty. That he wants to shoot the puck himself as much as he can, isn't bad either.
When we drafted Hagelin, I wondered why he went so low compared to Lars Eller. He and Eller had tied for the scoring lead that year. Eller was bigger, but it wasn't like Hagelin was tiny, and Hagelin is only 9 months older. It seemed like the biggest thing Eller had in his favor was his international experience. Based on that, I thought Hagelin would end up being a steal.
I didn't realize at the time that Hagelin had been passed over the first time he was draft eligible, so I understand the disparity in their draft positions better now. But I still maintain that Hagelin can be as good or better than Eller. He's definitely off to a good start.
He reminds me a lot of Zetterberg when Zetterberg was breaking into the NHL.
Henrik wasn't a big time scorer at that point. When he turned 24 he became the scorer we know now.
Not saying Hags will end up that way. But its hard not to see the similarities. At least from an outsider's point-of-view.
40 point player is a more realistic ceiling. But, just like Callahan progressed beyond what we initially thought he was, I wouldn't rule out a 30-30-60 player. He has the brains and will to exceed expectations, IMO.
Love this player more then I thought I would. He looks better then he did at Michigan, which is nuts.
You have to figure at some point he will start getting more ice time, more responsibility, PP time, PK time.
He looks better then he did at Michigan, which is nuts.
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I agree, and am having a tough time wrapping my head around it.
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Love this kid. He's so smart, reads the play so well. His grasp of the fundamentals, for such a young player, is outstanding. He was one of the most fundamentally sound NCAA players I've ever seen.
There are certainly a lot of things about him that recall Callahan, although Korpedo is also not a terrible comparison. He's going to be a great penalty killer in this league, and a very, very nice 2nd/3rd line winger.
I agree, and am having a tough time wrapping my head around it.
Yea.
It must be his preparation going into the season. Must have worked harder then ever. Because its not just now at the NHL level, apparently he was doing this in Hartford as well.
Maybe its being around Pro players in this short time rapidly developed his play.
What ever the reason, there's nothing in his game that suggests its a flash in the pan. Its not just the offensive production. The production is a by product of everything else he's doing. His play away from the puck, his reading the play quickly and using his speed to close gaps and take lanes away from the opposition. His hounding the puck...all the time. Strength on the boards. In all three zones. And his stamina is high end. He keeps going.
Let's wait until he's on his 60th game of the season. Stepan hit a little bit of a wall at that point... a lot of college players do. I'm not saying that Hagelin will. I'm just saying let's wait and see.
Let's wait until he's on his 60th game of the season. Stepan hit a little bit of a wall at that point... a lot of college players do. I'm not saying that Hagelin will. I'm just saying let's wait and see.
Difference is, Hagelin is a gym rat. The kid is a workout fiend and is in tremendous shape and is fast as balls. The production may slow down, but the work ethic and tenacity in each game will not.
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Difference is, Hagelin is a gym rat. The kid is a workout fiend and is in tremendous shape and is fast as balls. The production may slow down, but the work ethic and tenacity in each game will not.
The guy says he got his speed from sprinting up hills. Do you have any idea how hard that is?!?!?!
Loved him at Michigan, but I am surprised he broke in this year, and not next
Difference is, Hagelin is a gym rat. The kid is a workout fiend and is in tremendous shape and is fast as balls. The production may slow down, but the work ethic and tenacity in each game will not.
Doesn't matter. He's never had that load of work before.
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He looks better then he did at Michigan, which is nuts.
With you and HatTrick on this. In the end he's just working so damn hard out there. It's helped get him to another level. Maybe it's because he's so jacked to be playing with better players. The juice of having success at MSG can't hurt either.
