I would take Ryan over Mike Richards pretty easily.
And Schenn isn't "a player close to Stepan"? Holy overrating, Batman! Schenn is a HUGE prospect.
I love Stepan. I've loved him since we drafted him. But you move him for Ryan if he's the dealbreaker (say if they want him over AA). You just don't hold out like that. He's a 24 year old power winger who is a lock for 30+ goals per year. You don't pass that up.
No because Schenn is a prospect. Not only that but he's projected as a second line center, something Stepan has proven he is already capable of at the NHL level.
You don't move him for Ryan and there's no way i take Ryan over Richards. Are you confusing Ryan with Perry possibly?
You don't play a guy a ton of minutes against the most dangerous team in the league to showcase him. You play him because you trust him. MDZ isn't going anywhere. I doubt the Rangers touch their young defense.
I'm not sure what Anaheim's strategy is in trading Ryan. Is he a bad guy in the room? If so, no thanks. Cut payroll? That probably means Anisimov instead of Dubinsky as the centerpiece going the other way. 1st of many to go? Well, that means draft picks and prospects going back and salary only to baalnce out this year.
Anisimov, one of the three first rounders in the system and a lesser prospect (MZA?)plus a 2nd might just be enough to get it done.
The simple answer is that they have the second worst record in the league and need to shake it up. Outside of that top line, they have some glaring weaknesses.
In the thread on the Ducks' board they're basically saying that they'd have to win (and do so in regulation vs. their conference) 40 out of their 57 remaining games to qualify for the playoffs. Remember the Devils last year? That's where they are - they've started out so poorly that it would take a herculean effort to make the playoffs. With every loss that they rack up, the situation gets worse.
So, with that in mind, they're considering dealing one of their truly marketable assets to garner a package that addresses multiple needs. (In so doing, they're pretty much accepting their fate and, yes, tanking.) So, they wind up with 2-3 valuable assets, a damn fine pick in a damn fine draft and they reset for 2012-2013. In effect, they're going for a Philly style one year rebuild.
Perry and Getzlaf are out of the picture, because a) they're the faces of the franchise and b) speculation is that if one goes, then the other leaves when his contract is up.
Ryan is a fantastic top line power winger. I will easily move Stepan for him. I don't know why anyone wouldn't. Would I PREFER to move other players? Absolutely. If Stepan is the dealbreaker, throw him in there.
I think our depth would be fine. You could slot Dubinsky back over.
Dubinsky is not even in the same galaxy as Stepan. Thank God you're not our GM.
Sather is in a win now situatiuon. He's not going to be around that much longer. He desperately wants another Cup before he retires. (And what's wrong with that?) This is very quickly becoming a win now team.
Anisimov was not much of a factor for the Rangers down the stretch last year and in the playoffs. While nobody is lining up to give him away, he's a good young player who could certainly be the centerpiece here. You are going to have to give one of the young defensement and that's probably McIlrath or Erixon. I'm OK with that. And I'm OK moving a pick this year after reading how disappointing the draft is shaping up after the first 15 picks. Think how good this team could be if you replaced Anisimov with Ryan on the Stepan line and get Staal back in the lineup.
The islanders won't be in it. They need D as much as the ducks do, they're in no position to be trading one of their only promising D-men. Getting Ryan doesn't help the islanders all that much, and it just makes their d worse. Other factors at work against them as well.
I agree with the consensus that Ryan is going to return a lot less than some of the astronomically bloated trade proposals I've seen from all fanbases. I'd say he even fetches less than what Mike Richards did.
Not sure how I'd feel about trading Del Zotto at this point. He's starting to find his offensive game again and has been playing FANTASTIC two way hockey so far this season, and also keeping in mind the state of the defense right now as a whole.
If DZ is traded away, brass must think Erixon can replace his puck moving ability, or they better make damn sure they take hard looks at Morgan Reilly and Slater Koekkoek for this year's draft. Both of these guys are bonafide puck movers that will probably be in our range at our pick due to injuries.
Dubinsky, McIlrath, and a 2nd rounder gets it done for Ryan, IMO.
the draft pick will be high. Okposo sucks, Hamonic is meh. Nino is a meh prospect, but way overrated, theres a reason most of us wouldnt have taken him even at #10.
Dubinsky>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Okposo
MDZ or Erixon >>>Hamonic
Their draft pick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our draft pick
so its whether or not like 15-20 spots in the draft are worth 2 more immediately helpful players than what they are offering.
Pretty fair deal but Isles would not do it. There is no point in them trading 3 big pieces when they are rebuilding. Especially not moving that 2012 first in a deep draft.
On top of the fact that besides the 2012 1st, that's a horrendous deal for the ducks. Okposo is all but a bust and hamonic is having a dreadful year.
im glad someone else realizes that. thats an awful deal. in essence its 2 reclamation projects and a top 3 draft pick for bobby ryan. i guess its how much they value that draft pick. theyre gonna have a super high one themselves as it is. and im assuming theyll trade Teemu at the deadline for a #1 as well.
Sather is in a win now situatiuon. He's not going to be around that much longer. He desperately wants another Cup before he retires. (And what's wrong with that?) This is very quickly becoming a win now team.
Anisimov was not much of a factor for the Rangers down the stretch last year and in the playoffs. While nobody is lining up to give him away, he's a good young player who could certainly be the centerpiece here. You are going to have to give one of the young defensement and that's probably McIlrath or Erixon. I'm OK with that. And I'm OK moving a pick this year after reading how disappointing the draft is shaping up after the first 15 picks. Think how good this team could be if you replaced Anisimov with Ryan on the Stepan line and get Staal back in the lineup.
Ding ding ding.
I love AA and am not desperate to throw any of McIlrath/Erixon/1st away for just anyone.
But for Bobby Ryan I would do AA + Erixon/McIlrath + 2012 1st every single day. That move would easily make us legitimate contenders this year (with a healthy Staal) without mortgaging our future (too much).
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Stepan will be worth just as much if not more than Ryan in the future.
Based off of what? Hopes and dreams?
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Welcome to underrated land Derek Stepan! Dude is 21 years old and a finesse player yet wins more physical battles and puck battles than anyone on the team.
Pretty fair deal but Isles would not do it. There is no point in them trading 3 big pieces when they are rebuilding. Especially not moving that 2012 first in a deep draft.
The Islanders would do that deal in a heartbeat. None of those players are near Bobby Ryan caliber. And who cares about another high draft pick. What exactly has that done for them over the years? Beyond Tavares almost all of their picks have been a disappointment. Ryan next to Tavares would be killer. Problem is they have no d either so I don't see how Anaheim trades with them.
im glad someone else realizes that. thats an awful deal. in essence its 2 reclamation projects and a top 3 draft pick for bobby ryan. i guess its how much they value that draft pick. theyre gonna have a super high one themselves as it is. and im assuming theyll trade Teemu at the deadline for a #1 as well.
Yeah, if Murray accepts that deal Ducks fans should drag him out into the street.
Welcome to underrated land Derek Stepan! Dude is 21 years old and a finesse player yet wins more physical battles and puck battles than anyone on the team.
The Islanders would do that deal in a heartbeat. None of those players are near Bobby Ryan caliber. And who cares about another high draft pick. What exactly has that done for them over the years? Beyond Tavares almost all of their picks have been a disappointment. Ryan next to Tavares would be killer. Problem is they have no d either so I don't see how Anaheim trades with them.
Yea your right, screw the possibility of getting the first pick. No chance in hell the Isles do this deal dude. Your right they have no D, this is also why the dont do this deal
I think Dubinsky is getting a little bit berated as well, but mostly Ryan, yes.
I find it SHOCKING that people do not want to move Stepan for him. Stepan will be a really nice 65-70 point tweener (1st/2nd line guy). Ryan will be touching 80-90 points in his prime. The kid is 24 years old. Just outrageously underrated by people in this thread.
Dubi, as well, but to a lesser extent. I think we have what we have. A 50 point, two way guy who can hit, fight, etc.
Yea your right, screw the possibility of getting the first pick. No chance in hell the Isles do this deal dude. Your right they have no D, this is also why the dont do this deal
I think the Isles would rather have Okposo, Hamonic, and Yakupov than Bobby Ryan.
Yakupov will be better than Ryan in probably 3 years at the longest.
