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2012 AHL "Steeltown Showdown" aka Outdoor Classic, GTA 1/21

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12-02-2011, 09:28 PM
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I ****ing hate the cold, but this sounds like it could be fun. Only a 30 mins drive, sounds like it is worth the $30 bucks if I can get some booze inside

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And how are the Marlies doing in TO? As for Cleveland, anyone remember the Cleveland Barons?
That's the link to the NHL iteration. There were also two AHL versions.

And there's now the AHL Lake Erie Monsters in Cleveland.

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15000 tickets left.. 7000 sold so far. i still think 12000 is do able

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7000 tickets sold in 4 days? That'll be a decent crowd.

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12-04-2011, 10:15 AM
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7000 tickets sold in 4 days? That'll be a decent crowd.
Not quite

I may be wrong but STHers of the Bulldogs Marlies and Ticats had over a month to get tickets before they opened It up to everyone. So its 7000 in month. About 2500 sold since 7pm Friday though.

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12-08-2011, 03:07 AM
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And how are the Marlies doing in TO? As for Cleveland, anyone remember the Cleveland Barons?
That team was so mismanaged that they wouldn't have worked anywhere (you could combine the dumbest members of the Blue Jackets, Maple Leafs, and Islanders front offices and combine them with the people who came up with the idea that Phoenix, Atlanta, and Miami were good places to put an NHL team and they would still run a team better than the NHL "Barons" were). Also, putting them in an arena halfway to Akron (Akron's not exactly a hockey hotbed so there was little additional draw from the south) during Cleveland's two roughest winters on record didn't help.

Not a reflection on Cleveland as a hockey city at all.

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And how are the Marlies doing in TO? As for Cleveland, anyone remember the Cleveland Barons?
FYI, knorthern, the Marlies were in the same exact arena that the Manitoba Moose (St. John's Ice Caps)are now in, Mile One Centre, which MLSE Helped fund by virtue of the Leafs logos spread all over that venue, even when the Q played there, the only reason Toronto put their affiliate in Ricoh, is why there are no longer any Maritime teams in the A, sans St. John's..... how did you think MLSE LEFT St. John's, they left bc they rejected the lease offered them by SJSE, who operates Mile One..... when Edmonton pulled out of Hamilton, for Ricoh, they were duped by Lyle Abraham, hence why the name Road Runners was selected.... meanwhile, Quebec's rivalry w/ Montreal stemming from their co-existence in the same division, moved into QC as the Citadelles, which had only been used by a Halifax entry after Edmonton took over that market from Montreal in '84 (the long-running successful Voyageurs, who were founded in Montreal, before arriving in Halifax, which is why it went from the Voyageurs to the Oilers, before they left for Sydney (now the home of the Screaming Eagles, and where the AHL ended up hiring the current President, David Andrews); the AHL wasn't too happy w/ Edmonton bc they moved their affiliate late in 2004, after the schedule had been released, no one knew then tht the NHL would take '04 off due to the CBA issue.

as for Lake Erie, they essentially are the AHL Version of Utah, which dropped to the ECHL, claiming at tht time they wanted nothing to do w/ paying an affiliation fee(the franchise at one point was facing dual legal suits, as Hans reported, from Dallas, for prospect payment, which is a breach of contract.... then when they pulled out of the league, Glendale, yes, the same Coyotes everyone has been discussing ad nauseum over ownership, had a 3 year contract in place cancelled bc of the Grizzlies decision to pull out of the A. Dan Gilbert had inherited the 2nd incarnation of the Barons when he bought the Gunds out all their holdings (The Sharks/SJSE/The Q, as it is now known as in Cleveland, the Cavaliers, the old WNBA Rockers were also included....

all of this is also related as to why the Original Barons, were folded into what became the Minnesota North Stars, through the Seals....

MLSE has always owned their affiliate, but until St. John's hadn't used the Leafs name, even when Newmarket and St. Catherines existed, the affiliate was known as Saints.....

that's why the Citadelles have been transformed into the Bulldogs, and why Andlauer is the owner, bc the Oilers owned the rights to the original Bulldogs, who have since been under a deal w/ Toronto, Edmonton, then dormant the franchise for seven years (1 yr a 5-way affiliation/then 3 w/ SPR; before landing in Oklahoma City...


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One correction to the above post: Gilbert did not buy the San Jose end of operations (including the Barons). That had been sold by the Gunds a couple of years earlier. The 2nd AHL "Barons" were already mailing it in by that point and it seemed like the new SJ ownership was ready to get out of Cleveland as soon as they could by the time that Gilbert bought the Cavaliers (I think the Rockers were already defunct by that point).

Otherwise, a great synopsis of the situation.

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I think because novelty of the outdoor game I belive they will get at least 22.000 for the game maybe more . There are 2 things that will put at least 22.000 buts in the seats 1. the curiosity factor 2. This will be the closest thing Toronto will ever have to playing in a winter\heritage classic unless Hamilton gets an NHL. team in the near future .

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15000 tickets left.. 7000 sold so far. i still think 12000 is do able
More than I thought it would be at this point, but if the crowd only reaches 12,000 it will be a horrible experience. I've been at Ticat games in the '90s with crowds of 12,000. It's like being at a funeral...

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I think because novelty of the outdoor game I belive they will get at least 22.000 for the game maybe more . There are 2 things that will put at least 22.000 buts in the seats 1. the curiosity factor 2. This will be the closest thing Toronto will ever have to playing in a winter\heritage classic unless Hamilton gets an NHL. team in the near future .
i dunno JMR, there are still 14160 seats left mostly the 89-100 range (like who'd pay 100 for AHL ) i posted on 12/04 with 7000 tickets sold.. since than 840 tickets have been bought..not going to make 22000..

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More than I thought it would be at this point, but if the crowd only reaches 12,000 it will be a horrible experience. I've been at Ticat games in the '90s with crowds of 12,000. It's like being at a funeral...
cant see how this works on a CFL feild tbh..

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cant see how this works on a CFL feild tbh..
Well it has worked at Commonwealth and McMahon, plus Ivor Wynne has hosted a outgame before. In IWS defense, it has the best sightlines and is closest to the field of any stadium. I was at a couple of McMaster playoff games that around 10,000 attending. They had everyone seated in the south stands and the atmosphere was actually pretty good...well until Jesse Lumsden got hurt....

But yeah, the price tag is a bit hard to swallow, even with Hamilton being an 'event town'...

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Well it has worked at Commonwealth and McMahon, plus Ivor Wynne has hosted a outgame before. In IWS defense, it has the best sightlines and is closest to the field of any stadium. I was at a couple of McMaster playoff games that around 10,000 attending. They had everyone seated in the south stands and the atmosphere was actually pretty good...well until Jesse Lumsden got hurt....

But yeah, the price tag is a bit hard to swallow, even with Hamilton being an 'event town'...
thats true. just seems like it would be so far away..

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Why are the lower seats the cheapest?...... is the angle really going to be that bad?

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Why are the lower seats the cheapest?...... is the angle really going to be that bad?
i hope its not that bad.. i've never had to sneak UP to get a better seat lol

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i hope its not that bad.. i've never had to sneak UP to get a better seat lol
An interesting concept for sure.

Game is also on TV..... http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2011/...t_ahl_allstar/

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In addition, Sportsnet will also produce and broadcast the first AHL outdoor game ever held in Canada as the Hamilton Bulldogs host the Toronto Marlies at Ivor Wynne Stadium in Hamilton on January 21.
..... probably won't help attendance either.

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An interesting concept for sure.

Game is also on TV..... http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2011/...t_ahl_allstar/



..... probably won't help attendance either.
oh no..bet theres a lot of folks sweetin bullets over amount of tickets sold so far..

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The is well over a month away 45 days to be exact so there is plenty of time to that 22.000 mark .

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But yeah, the price tag is a bit hard to swallow, even with Hamilton being an 'event town'...
The Bulldogs are hardly known for being realistic with ticket prices. What they charge (for those who don't know - all seats are the same price) isn't bad for a good seat to an AHL game, but is exorbitant (to put it kindly) for a get-in seat.

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http://www.ticketmaster.ca/event/100...4&minorcatid=9

Yikes. Ticket sales are horrible. Thousands, upon thousands, and alot of unavailable seats are just blocked off for groups...

This looks like it will fail big time. From the Bulldogs, can't say I'm surprised.

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Are you guys serious.

It's not the NHL, so what!!! Go and have some fun!

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Are you guys serious.

It's not the NHL, so what!!! Go and have some fun!
10440 tickets sold.. warmer weather for the next little while may help ticket sales but wont help ice.. good thing Bulldogs are used to playing on a sub par ice surface..

12000 tickets sold still looks about right.. thats not going to make a lot of people happy

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http://www.ticketmaster.ca/event/100...4&minorcatid=9

Yikes. Ticket sales are horrible. Thousands, upon thousands, and alot of unavailable seats are just blocked off for groups...

This looks like it will fail big time. From the Bulldogs, can't say I'm surprised.
For a sporting event in Hamilton, can't say I'm surprised.

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Tickets are already available for WAY below face value on the secondary market. Good luck getting anybody to spend $100 for a nosebleed when they can get in the door for $25 and have their choice of seats.

This is the risk you run with huge venues... better be really sure you can fill 'em or the tickets lose all value.

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