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12-01-2011, 11:24 AM
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If we lose our next two games and get swept in the california road trip is Martin gone for sure? And if so, do we hire a french Canadian?

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but if we hire Roy Price will need to start fighting every goalie
Hire Jonathan as backup, when we need a scrum, put him in.

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Well its no secret that the coach and GM mush speak french so that limits the guys they can get. Roy or Hartley come to mind or a young agreesive coach from the Q, As for GM, I would love to see Pierre Mcguire as GM and let him rebuild from the floor on up. He is creepy a little but he is passionate and he is a smart hockey guy...
No offense, but who says the coach\gm needs to speak French? Preferable yes, required no.

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Once again, being a good coach in the Q and in the NHL are very different things, especially for someone like Roy who isn't a Boucher style tactician.
He's not just the coach, he's the owner, GM and coach, he is the one that set the identity of the organization,and that culture is to WIN, players thrive on that.
No one knows what the culture is here, do the Canadiens even have an identity? Seems like under this regime, it's a passive, soft style of play, and getting the crap beat out of you, and the coach does nothing

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A change in philosophy (something PG said they were doing earlier this year) would do this team, and probably its entire organization, some good.

And nothing is stopping the current staff, from instituting those changes themselves...

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12-01-2011, 11:25 AM
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I just throw this one out there,if the Habs ever did hire ROY , lay odds high on Radulov in Montreal .

I think he would come back to play for Roy .

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12-01-2011, 11:27 AM
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No offense, but who says the coach\gm needs to speak French? Preferable yes, required no.
If PG (assuming PG stays) - he needs to have the balls to get an anglo coach. The French media will be livid at first, BUT if we start winning, they will stop caring. I don't think they're crazy about Martin.

If Molson cares about the fans (and I honestly think he does) - he needs to assess whether PG is being restrained by the Franco rule. If there is a solid non-French speaking coach out there and we don't hire him for that reason, I want Molson to step in. I know he has pressure from a lot of parties, but if he really cares and wants to be a hero, like so many other past organization greats, he needs to make this change.

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12-01-2011, 11:29 AM
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If PG (assuming PG stays) - he needs to have the balls to get an anglo coach. The French media will be livid at first, BUT if we start winning, they will stop caring. I don't think they're crazy about Martin.

If Molson cares about the fans (and I honestly think he does) - he needs to assess whether PG is being restrained by the Franco rule. If there is a solid non-French speaking coach out there and we don't hire him for that reason, I want Molson to step in. I know he has pressure from a lot of parties, but if he really cares and wants to be a hero, like so many other past organization greats, he needs to make this change.

How much would it cost for a English to french translator?

I mean pay the coach a million and give the translator $200,000 a year to stand beside the coach and talk in french for media.

It is not end of the world in today's society...

That is all the stands between us having the best possible coach , just not the best Franco coach avail at the time .



Just so everyone knows, i'm all for a french coach first! but if we got to settle for second,third or 4th best best just because ? , then no i'm not .


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12-01-2011, 11:30 AM
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i think roy would be the best option considering our star player is a goalie

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I don't think Roy would become the habs head coach, especially not after the Latendresse circus.

Now that Lats ain't on the team anymore it could change tho.

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12-01-2011, 11:41 AM
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Roy would certainly get the most pop if they hired him .

I'd think the city would buzz no doubt.

He hates Guy Boucher 1-3-1 ,so safe to say we play something different than what we do now .


Been said 10000 time Muller no french ,,,,forget about it,sad but truth.
That's beyond sad, it's disguting.

Not referring specifically to Muller here, but to deprive a team, franchise and its legion of loyal fans a good coach simply because he doesn't speak french is an embarrassment and a joke

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12-01-2011, 11:44 AM
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When you start with the condition that the coach must know french, you are already starting at square -2 while other teams start at square 1. You've eliminated 80% of potentially good condidates.

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12-01-2011, 11:45 AM
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My view: Simple.

- Fire Martin, put an interim coach for now
- Dump Gomez to the minors.
- Trade Cammy for picks and prospects at the deadline
- Ditto Gionta
- Trade Gill for low pick at deadline
- Re-sign Kostitsyn
- 7 year contracts to Price, Subban
- Re-sign Gorges

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12-01-2011, 11:46 AM
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My view: Simple.

- Fire Martin, put an interim coach for now
- Dump Gomez to the minors.
- Trade Cammy for picks and prospects at the deadline
- Ditto Gionta
- Trade Gill for low pick at deadline
- Re-sign Kostitsyn
- 7 year contracts to Price, Subban
- Re-sign Gorges
And pick up Yakupov or Grigorenko?

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I don't think Roy would become the habs head coach, especially not after the Latendresse circus.

Now that Lats ain't on the team anymore it could change tho.
Don't care.

Anybody but Jacques Martin.

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12-01-2011, 11:47 AM
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My view: Simple.

- Fire Martin, put an interim coach for now
- Dump Gomez to the minors.
- Trade Cammy for picks and prospects at the deadline
- Ditto Gionta
- Trade Gill for low pick at deadline
- Re-sign Kostitsyn
- 7 year contracts to Price, Subban
- Re-sign Gorges
Hello and wake up Molson!!! Funny you didn't agree just the day before....

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When you start with the condition that the coach must know french, you are already starting at square -2 while other teams start at square 1. You've eliminated 80% of potentially good condidates.
Exactly, it's a joke, like when you really stop and think about it it's an absolute joke

To pick a coach on the basis of keeping members of the media happy, as oppose to picking a coach that will give you the best chance at winning is simply embarrassing

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12-01-2011, 11:49 AM
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I would LOVE roy as coach. Undo the jinx created in 95'.

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My view: Simple.

- Fire Martin, put an interim coach for now
- Dump Gomez to the minors.
- Trade Cammy for picks and prospects at the deadline
- Ditto Gionta
- Trade Gill for low pick at deadline
- Re-sign Kostitsyn
- 7 year contracts to Price, Subban
- Re-sign Gorges
Cammy and gionta are fine. They are being awful right now, just as most of the team.

I wouldn't get rid of both simply because of how they're playing right now.

The fact that the core of the team, players who are leaders, gritty, with a huge heart and great teammates are playing with no emotions, no fire, no desire says a lot about how this team is managed.

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12-01-2011, 11:54 AM
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My view: Simple.

- Fire Martin, put an interim coach for now
- Dump Gomez to the minors.
- Trade Cammy for picks and prospects at the deadline
- Ditto Gionta
- Trade Gill for low pick at deadline
- Re-sign Kostitsyn
- 7 year contracts to Price, Subban
- Re-sign Gorges
I'd do all that except the Gionta part. Also, 7 years is a bit much, i'd just give the same contract Hedman got to Subban, and the one Rinne got to Price.

And i'd switch Gill to be traded, to Weber. I think we have enough guys like him.

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Hello and wake up Molson!!! Funny you didn't agree just the day before....
Molson will not have an issue with that. I am sure PG is the one who is keeping Gomez.

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Molson will not have an issue with that. I am sure PG is the one who is keeping Gomez.
Then Molson should send PG back to Vermont

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And pick up Yakupov or Grigorenko?



Don't care.

Anybody but Jacques Martin.
Why not?

Lots of teams do quick rebuilds by stocking on picks and prospects and getting a high pick. If sucking this year means a great team in the future, go right ahead.

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12-01-2011, 11:56 AM
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I don't think Roy would become the habs head coach, especially not after the Latendresse circus.

Now that Lats ain't on the team anymore it could change tho.
Media and many Habs fans created that circus. Roy just said juniors under 20 shouldn't play in the NHL unless they're stars. At the time, Lats was perceived as the next Lafleur so everybody started thinking Roy was dissing Lats...

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12-01-2011, 11:58 AM
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My view: Simple.

- Fire Martin, put an interim coach for now
- Dump Gomez to the minors.
- Trade Cammy for picks and prospects at the deadline
- Ditto Gionta
- Trade Gill for low pick at deadline
- Re-sign Kostitsyn
- 7 year contracts to Price, Subban
- Re-sign Gorges
Why exactly do you need to 'dump Gomez to the minors' if you're trading two of the next three highest paid players for 'picks and prospects'?

You still need to ice a team for the rest of the season and you don't get extra draft picks for who has the most cap space left at the end of the season.

In fact, if the goal is to suck for the rest of the year, why do we need an interim coach? Is Martin not sucking well enough for you?

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Fire the ****er.

The penguin the elf the martian call him whatever you want but please GTFO.

I prefer to see exiting games with an offensive style even if we lose this year than continue seing this failed defensive system that couldn't score on a leprechaun goalie right now.

Never seen so many d hitting wide of the net why did the wiz had some points last year? He shoted low and hit the net every time. Weber did that at the beginning of the year but now he is chasing heads just like Subban.

Shot the ****in puck not more complicated than that.


Fire Martin get Patrick Roy the guy has the last 2 stanley cup why don't we give him a try? Not the best coach but at least he is a winner and seems to know how to surround himself with competent assistants and scouts.

A sweep is necessary.

We must keep our picks and prospects this year let's face it this isn't the year for us. Let's draft a top forward prospect for once get rid of Gomez(AHL) Cammalleri Moen Gill spacek at the deadline for picks or prospects.

Rebuild next year with good free agents and then rise like the phoenix the next year.

The team we have is similar to what the flyers had so a speedy rebuild could be done.

Next year Tinordi Gallagher Leblanc all coming to the NHL and Beaulieu in Hamilton.

IM' just dreaming here but i would be ready for a 1 year rebuild if it meant be back on the top of the eastern conference.

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