Hello im from the NY board and i wonder if you´ll think that Dubi for FRanzén is a good trade?
I know dubi hasn´t played good i NYR this season but i think he will be playing better and will get his points in Det and Rangers will get a player that could score and play hard.
Right now in Rangers there is like only Richards and Gaborik that scores!
So my question, is it fair? or should the rangers add?
I know he didnt have a great last season but he has history of showing potential and I think he will be playing better and score alot more goals when given more minutes like in Rangers. He already has couple of points this season.
how about Hudler Dubinsky straight up? I think Wings can throw in a pick or two to sweeten the pot.
Dubinsky is a useful player to have. Gritty guy, who can play 2nd line center or LW and can pot some goals too. Play in all situations. But for Franzen straight up? No thanks.
I don't think they can. Who else could they offer?
Kreider, MDZ, Thomas, 2012 first, McDonagh are a couple of players that they could add to iron out the deal. I'd personally want McDonagh (We may have to add a B prospect to even it out)
I think something around Hudler and Dubinsky would work. Franzen isn't going anywhere, he has far more value to a team that is looking to make a playoff run every year than one that doesn't.
If we could replace Hudler's spot in the line up with a player who can put up a similar amount of points but is bigger and can play better defense, that is as good as it will get.
I think something around Hudler and Dubinsky would work. Franzen isn't going anywhere, he has far more value to a team that is looking to make a playoff run every year than one that doesn't.
If we could replace Hudler's spot in the line up with a player who can put up a similar amount of points but is bigger and can play better defense, that is as good as it will get.
Hudler and Dubinsky have about the same production this year.
Hudler and Dubinsky have about the same production this year.
Which makes the idea of a Franzen/Dubinsky straight swap even sillier. Hudler for Dubinsky isn't even far off; Dubinsky has played top-six ice time his entire career while Hudler has been 3rd/4th line, and Dubinsky has 190 in 338 to Hudler's 176 in 351. Dubinsky is a year younger and the larger player, but imagine if Hudler had been playing those ES minutes? An additional 25%-30% added to his ES minutes or so; that's around 10 more points per season, or maybe 40-45 more points total to date. And that's assuming that ice time is the only factor that applies to output.
I wouldn't be opposed to trading Franzen for someone with Dubinsky's age, size and physical game, and overall point totals (and perhaps an extra because it's not a fair deal) but Dubinsky is not the player I'd want back; it would have to be someone who is more of a goal-scorer. Callahan is closer to that profile, and definitely more talented, but instead of being Dubinsky+ to get Franzen, it would take Franzen+ to get Callahan. That "plus" would have to be prospects and/or picks, due to cap space. So Franzen/Tatar/2nd (or even 1st if absolutely necessary) for Callahan? I'm more than OK with that.
Which makes the idea of a Franzen/Dubinsky straight swap even sillier. Hudler for Dubinsky isn't even far off; Dubinsky has played top-six ice time his entire career while Hudler has been 3rd/4th line, and Dubinsky has 190 in 338 to Hudler's 176 in 351. Dubinsky is a year younger and the larger player, but imagine if Hudler had been playing those ES minutes? An additional 25%-30% added to his ES minutes or so; that's around 10 more points per season, or maybe 40-45 more points total to date. And that's assuming that ice time is the only factor that applies to output.
I wouldn't be opposed to trading Franzen for someone with Dubinsky's age, size and physical game, and overall point totals (and perhaps an extra because it's not a fair deal) but Dubinsky is not the player I'd want back; it would have to be someone who is more of a goal-scorer. Callahan is closer to that profile, and definitely more talented, but instead of being Dubinsky+ to get Franzen, it would take Franzen+ to get Callahan. That "plus" would have to be prospects and/or picks, due to cap space. So Franzen/Tatar/2nd (or even 1st if absolutely necessary) for Callahan? I'm more than OK with that.
No way the Wings would move Franzen for Callahan. Franzen is much better.
No way the Wings would move Franzen for Callahan. Franzen is much better.
He scored 23 goals and 48 points in 60 games last season (pace for 31 and 65 in 82)
He's on pace for almost 40 goals and over 60 points this season at age 26.
Franzen has had those kinds of PPG numbers (35+/60+ in 82) once in his career; 2008-09. He's got great numbers right now but he won't keep it up. As I've said before; after Franzen's first 49 games last year he had 26 goals and 41 points. That's pace for 44-25-69. He finished with 28-27-55. That's Johan Franzen. He's either amazing on the ice, or imagining that he's off with Larry Murphy getting a hot dog and some Miller Lite. I'll take Callahan please.
Callahan is closer to that profile, and definitely more talented, but instead of being Dubinsky+ to get Franzen, it would take Franzen+ to get Callahan.
No dice. Franzen is grittier. He may not score pretty goals, but he can grind 'em out if need be.
I can't see us dumping Franzen+ for Callahan, much less doing that deal straight up. I honestly don't think we need Callahan, at this point.
I don't think we should think about trading any of our top core players right now because the team is playing pretty good.
I'd like to see guys like Cleary, Bertuzzi and Abby start stepping up because I think they still have it in them to be better players that can actually carry this team for stretches of the season.
