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12-12-2011, 12:26 AM
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I understand the frustration waiting for Markov... & I also understand why so many are upset over the whole thing.

You can say I see it with rosy glasses, I like to think I look at my team, and try to guage it's full potential.

Regardless to the whole Markov situation... First thing's first, the Kaberle signing is absolutely awesome for the Canadiens.

One thing I was absolutely angry about in the offseason was losing the prospect of Wisniewski and a returning Markov. We never got to see them play together. I hoped that Markov was going to make a surprise return come playoff time, even though he was 'shut down'.
Losing Wisniewski to keep the talents of Gill, and Spacek... was too much. I saw his tag in Columbus and said forget about it.
But Kaberle brings back that excitement for me IMO. The Power play gets it's in term boost, so yes, Kaberle would be considered a replacement on Markov.
But to have the 2 running the PP... That's an edge.

We have 2 upper class puck moving d-men... Markov, when he wasnt back in October, or November... Frankly, all I want for the guy is to get healthy again. Even if he isnt carrying the Habs right away... If he finds his game come Playoff time, along with a Kaberle who finds his game (that one I would actually consider taking to the bank, that's how good I feel about this one).. Our PP side of Special teams should be rockin and rolling... We would be serious darkhorse contenders.

The one thing Montreal DOES have, is a lot of trigger-men. There's a lot of players on the team with a good setof hand up front.

Add to that the glimpses of Emelin we've seen in terms of passing ability, and Subban and Gorges... Weber, Diaz... IMO if we can master the transitional game (which I believe is MUCH more possible with the Kaberle/Markov add-ons).. We have the speed to make it very deadly.

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Did Markov run over your dog or something?
No. If he did...I guarantee you I'd sue for every dollar he's made playing for our Canadiens. Especially for the last 3 seasons and the 2 more seasons at $5,75mil/year. And then I'd be a Santa and spread that $$$$ for Price, Subban, Gorges, Moen...the players who actually help our Habs (and not just collect paychecks for nothing).


Bad news:
with Markov it's always bad news...always. October 2011? Nope. November 2011? Nope. December 2011 looks good...I really got ready/excited and nope again (more ****ing false hope). Now we're talking about ****ing 2012. January? End of January? Let's see if this will go till February or March or even longer...*long sigh*.

DREAM/FANTASY/FALSE HOPE:
I can't wait to talk about how Markov helped our Habs and PP! (instead of all this ****, setback after setback, false hope, knee rehab talk,, knee this, knee that...more false hope). Some people think the longer we wait for Markov the better he will be when he finally comes back...I hope some Markov-lovers are right!


Good news:
Kaberle just may be the solution to our PP (I am excited again for our PP...thanks to Kaberle!)
Leblanc is getting good minutes from coach Martin (imo, Leblanc looks better out there vs Palushaj).
And...
Campoli is ready to go and should play soon (very excited!) but may have to wait till our Habs lose? (or coach Martin will sit Diaz next game???).


Emelin/Gill - Subban
Campoli - Gorges
Kaberle - Gill/Diaz
Gill
Diaz
St-Denis
Weber


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I understand the frustration waiting for Markov... & I also understand why so many are upset over the whole thing.

You can say I see it with rosy glasses, I like to think I look at my team, and try to guage it's full potential.


Regardless to the whole Markov situation... First thing's first, the Kaberle signing is absolutely awesome for the Canadiens.
One thing I was absolutely angry about in the offseason was losing the prospect of Wisniewski and a returning Markov. We never got to see them play together. I hoped that Markov was going to make a surprise return come playoff time, even though he was 'shut down'.
Losing Wisniewski to keep the talents of Gill, and Spacek... was too much. I saw his tag in Columbus and said forget about it.
But Kaberle brings back that excitement for me IMO. The Power play gets it's in term boost, so yes, Kaberle would be considered a replacement on Markov.
But to have the 2 running the PP... That's an edge.

We have 2 upper class puck moving d-men... Markov, when he wasnt back in October, or November... Frankly, all I want for the guy is to get healthy again. Even if he isnt carrying the Habs right away... If he finds his game come Playoff time, along with a Kaberle who finds his game (that one I would actually consider taking to the bank, that's how good I feel about this one).. Our PP side of Special teams should be rockin and rolling... We would be serious darkhorse contenders.

The one thing Montreal DOES have, is a lot of trigger-men. There's a lot of players on the team with a good setof hand up front.

Add to that the glimpses of Emelin we've seen in terms of passing ability, and Subban and Gorges... Weber, Diaz... IMO if we can master the transitional game (which I believe is MUCH more possible with the Kaberle/Markov add-ons).. We have the speed to make it very deadly.
You have a good attitude towards the whole situation.

Hard for some to believe, but...I'm also salivating at the thought of a PP that is powered by Markov, Kaberle, and Subban. We just need Markov to play for once and stay healthy #$%^&#$. (would also be great if Weber could one day find his PP magic 'cause he has good 35-40+pts/season PP specialist potential, but right now his defense is atrocious, so for now he's our #7-8-9dman or 4th line winger with possible PP time as a 4th line winger, but when White comes back Weber will have to sit).


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As frustrating as it it for Markov to have to sit another 4-6 weeks(I think they are playing up the worst case scenario because they are tired of answering questions), this INCREASES his chances of not getting re-injured by giving the ligament even more time to get stronger, the rest of the join should now be fully clean so swelling should be a non issue and he can now go full out. It will be like adding a #1 d-man via trade deadline (without giving up a 1st and 2 prospects) just like adding Kaberle was adding a #2-3 at no cost.

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Moen is not at practice this morning.

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Moen is not at practice this morning.
But Gomez is... !

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But Gomez is... !
I feel so dirty, but i might be the only Habs fans that this news actually pleases.
I still like Gomez.

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I'm actually Geoff Molson son. At least I was until I took an arrow to the knee...

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anyone know where you can check the stat that has total games missed to injury , it combines all our injuries and counts them up, i remember seeing it somewhere

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Paid like a 1 st line center now able to get a spot as a 4th line winger because of injuries to other players

from todays practice

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Cammalleri - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
Leblanc - Eller - Darche
Gomez - Nokelainen - Weber

Gill - Diaz
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I understand the frustration waiting for Markov... & I also understand why so many are upset over the whole thing.

You can say I see it with rosy glasses, I like to think I look at my team, and try to guage it's full potential.

Regardless to the whole Markov situation... First thing's first, the Kaberle signing is absolutely awesome for the Canadiens.

One thing I was absolutely angry about in the offseason was losing the prospect of Wisniewski and a returning Markov. We never got to see them play together. I hoped that Markov was going to make a surprise return come playoff time, even though he was 'shut down'.
Losing Wisniewski to keep the talents of Gill, and Spacek... was too much. I saw his tag in Columbus and said forget about it.
But Kaberle brings back that excitement for me IMO. The Power play gets it's in term boost, so yes, Kaberle would be considered a replacement on Markov.
But to have the 2 running the PP... That's an edge.

We have 2 upper class puck moving d-men... Markov, when he wasnt back in October, or November... Frankly, all I want for the guy is to get healthy again. Even if he isnt carrying the Habs right away... If he finds his game come Playoff time, along with a Kaberle who finds his game (that one I would actually consider taking to the bank, that's how good I feel about this one).. Our PP side of Special teams should be rockin and rolling... We would be serious darkhorse contenders.

The one thing Montreal DOES have, is a lot of trigger-men. There's a lot of players on the team with a good setof hand up front.

Add to that the glimpses of Emelin we've seen in terms of passing ability, and Subban and Gorges... Weber, Diaz... IMO if we can master the transitional game (which I believe is MUCH more possible with the Kaberle/Markov add-ons).. We have the speed to make it very deadly.
Digging your positivity! I hated the Kaberle trade when it happened, but I guess you're not far off in your analysis of the PP. Although, a lot of it is predicated on a healthy Markov which seems less and less tangible when it comes to salvaging this season. Kaberle's contract is problematic on a team with more than it's fair share of problematic contracts. Add that to a lack of size down the middle, a lack of creativity with the coaching and the fact that more than a third of the season has been played out with the Habs sitting on the outside looking in, and I don't think I would've made that deal.
I do sincerely hope you're right, though. Life's better when the Tricolore is flying!

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Paid like a 1 st line center now able to get a spot as a 4th line winger because of injuries to other players

from todays practice

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Cammalleri - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
Leblanc - Eller - Darche
Gomez - Nokelainen - Weber

Gill - Diaz
Gorges - Subban
Kaberle - Emelin
Where the **** is Campoli ? Take Diaz's place.
And Gomez is still injured, that's why he is not taking faceoffs.
He will be back and we can get rid of Darche and replace him with someone that deserves to be on our third line.

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Where the **** is Campoli ? Take Diaz's place.
And Gomez is still injured, that's why he is not taking faceoffs.
He will be back and we can get rid of Darche and replace him with someone that deserves to be on our third line.
Also, for someone who is apparently obsessed with duos, he seems to not consider AK and Eller a duo. How much brainpower does it take to realize this? Just switch Leblanc and AK. Duh.

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Also, for someone who is apparently obsessed with duos, he seems to not consider AK and Eller a duo. How much brainpower does it take to realize this? Just switch Leblanc and AK. Duh.
Damn Matt Martin would look good in Darche's place

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Also, for someone who is apparently obsessed with duos, he seems to not consider AK and Eller a duo. How much brainpower does it take to realize this? Just switch Leblanc and AK. Duh.
I think the rationale is, anyone who plays on Plekanec's wing has to be able to handle top competition.

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I think the rationale is, anyone who plays on Plekanec's wing has to be able to handle top competition.
Well then put Moen there, and Leblanc with Eller and AK. It's just painfully obvious to me that you only have one good scoring line (DD-patches-cole) when you split up AK and Eller. Who knows, maybe he thinks the duo is Moen and Eller, lol.

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Gomez started practice this morning but had to stop. Jacques Martin stated he suffered a setback. #Habs #Canadiens

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When we are 100% healthy and attempting to make a playoff run, I want to see:

Cammalleri - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Gomez - Eller - Gionta
Darche - Nokelainen - Moen
Leblanc

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban
Campoli - Kaberle
Gill

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Mr. Hab makes some very good points.

In summary, our management has become reactionary instead of pro-active regarding the entire Markov injury issue.

IF we would have kept Wisniewski (remember all the gripes about paying his salary........too much!!!!!), we would not have to have overpaid for Kaberle (those additional two years may be costly to this team) in an effort to salvage this season.

Typical from Gainey/Gauthier. There is a tremendous lack of foresight from both of them. It is always about the past and the present moment and little thinking forward.

Campoli needs to play.

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When we are 100% healthy and attempting to make a playoff run, I want to see:

Cammalleri - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Gomez - Eller - Gionta
Darche - Nokelainen - Moen
Leblanc

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban
Campoli - Kaberle
Gill

Price
Budaj
Swap White for Darche and Leblanc for Gomez and we may have a chance.

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JM needs to stop it with Weber on the 4th line. And he needs to stop it with Darche. I really wish we had two real 4th liners to play with Nokie. White makes one. Moen makes two, even if he is more of a 3rd liner. We need to add at least one tough and D reliable 4th liner before the deadline.

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When we are 100% healthy and attempting to make a playoff run, I want to see:

Cammalleri - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Gomez - Eller - Gionta
Darche - Nokelainen - Moen
Leblanc

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban
Campoli - Kaberle
Gill

Price
Budaj
Yes! Finally someone else who agrees that would be a great line. The Gomez hate on here is hilarious. OF COURSE he doesn't produce, of COURSE he's overpaid. But he's not going anywhere until the summer. People need to ignore the stupid 7.3 million dollar deal because there's nothing that can be done about it right now. Once you get past it, you see that he's not an entirely useless 2-2.5 million dollar player.

Gomez with Gionta and Eller is a great shutdown line that will OWN most third line matchups. It's fast and talented. Plus it will give the option of a nice fourth line crash and bang line with Moen, Noke, and White. A four line team? Would be a dream.

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IF we would have kept Wisniewski (remember all the gripes about paying his salary........too much!!!!!), we would not have to have overpaid for Kaberle (those additional two years may be costly to this team) in an effort to salvage this season.
Yes, an aging brittle defenceman for a younger one is such an overpayment. You do realize last year we could have traded a pair of 1sts for him like Boston did? You do realize that if we had Wiz here at Markov $$$, the board would be saying "trade Wizniewski, PG gave him so many years, etc" all year long so that we could use his caphit to resign Gorges, AK, etc?

"Oh no, how are we going to resign Carey Price in 2015 with Wizniewski signed to an 8 year deal!"

Way of the Habs fan.

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I love it how when the Habs make good moves now, and those move show they're paying off, the haters and bashers now revert to -hoping- the acquired players won't perform in the latter years of the contract.

Odds are if Kaberle plays good this year, he'll still play good for his last two on his contract. Same for Cole, even at 36, he'll still have his legs by then. Their contracts end when players actually start to show signs of slowing down. Most players don't slow down between 32-35.

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