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12-14-2011, 04:45 PM
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Because who cares? It's the 3rd line. They haven't been as great as everyone's been saying either. They were the ones getting pinned in their zone last night.

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12-14-2011, 05:10 PM
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The team is playing well enough that a "Shock and Awe" turning upside down of the lines probably isn't reasonable. That said, the third line is clearly performing better than the other lines, and 1 mediocre game doesn't mean you blow up a group that has been getting it done night in and night out.

Dallas is 6-3-1 in their last 10 and trending up. Since when has that been a recipe for throwing everything out and starting over.

I don't think anyone would argue that they are playing at an optimal level, but this is a fairly drastic suggestion. The 3rd and 4th lines are playing well within their roles, and they've been better since they've been allowed to actually play some games together (I don't think Benn taking double duty on the 4th line would change that). The bigger issue is clearly the slumping Top 6.

I doubt rolling 7 D is a long term solution anyway. Unless they send Vincour back to the AHL, Burish is going to step back into the lineup when he is healthy which should be next week.

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12-14-2011, 05:12 PM
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Well, if you want to fix the top 6, that would do it. If you're more concerned about preserving a checking 3rd line that has chipped in with some likely unsustainable offense, then don't.

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Wandell on the top line, though?

I guess if you want to know for sure that he's not a top line guy, that's the best way to find out....

Well, Otter doesn't belong up there either, actually, but who knows, maybe a shuffle would do a couple players good.

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12-14-2011, 05:23 PM
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Morrow-Ribeiro-Dvorak
Benn-Fiddler-Eriksson
Nystrom-Ott-Burish
Wandell-Dowell(Benn doubleshift)-Vincour

There. Do this. Possibly swap Nystrom and Dvorak for center utility purposes.

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12-14-2011, 05:41 PM
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Wandell on the top line, though?

I guess if you want to know for sure that he's not a top line guy, that's the best way to find out....

Well, Otter doesn't belong up there either, actually, but who knows, maybe a shuffle would do a couple players good.
I'm never giving up on that combo, ever. It will work.

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12-14-2011, 06:11 PM
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I really like how we aren't going with a straight up enforcer on this team anymore. Godard stays down in the AHL, Barch traded away, no need to have players in this roster who can only fight. My question to all of you is where do we need upgrades in this lineup? Gaglardi is willing to spend money on the right players, so what do you think we need?

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12-14-2011, 06:24 PM
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I really like how we aren't going with a straight up enforcer on this team anymore. Godard stays down in the AHL, Barch traded away, no need to have players in this roster who can only fight. My question to all of you is where do we need upgrades in this lineup? Gaglardi is willing to spend money on the right players, so what do you think we need?
Forwards with good passing skills

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12-14-2011, 06:26 PM
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Morrow-Ribeiro-Dvorak
Benn-Fiddler-Eriksson
Nystrom-Ott-Burish
Wandell-Dowell(Benn doubleshift)-Vincour

There. Do this. Possibly swap Nystrom and Dvorak for center utility purposes.
Where's Ryder?

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12-14-2011, 06:46 PM
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Where's Ryder?
Whoops, forgot about Ryder. Put him on the third line.

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12-14-2011, 06:49 PM
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Forwards with good passing skills
Could you be more specific? Do you want a #1 C then move Benn back to the wing? Or RW playmaker? Anyone you have your eye on?

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I think they should put Ribs with Loui and Benn to get them going.

So,...

Benn-Ribs-Loui
Morrow-Fiddler-Ryder
Nystrom-Ott-Dvorak
Dowell-Wandell-Vincour

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12-14-2011, 07:15 PM
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I'd much rather see Ott simply center the 2nd line if Benn's moving to wing, than using Fiddler. Fiddler has even less creativity and playmaking ability than Ott. He was Phoenix's 4th line center last year ffs.

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12-14-2011, 08:10 PM
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My question to all of you is where do we need upgrades in this lineup? Gaglardi is willing to spend money on the right players, so what do you think we need?
They need at least one top six forward. I really don't care which position he plays. This team doesn't have six "top six" quality forwards.

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Wandell-Benn-Ott
And I thought Scuba hated Benn. Ouch.

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12-14-2011, 08:14 PM
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And I thought Scuba hated Benn. Ouch.
You'd see Benn's production resume it's previous levels, guaranteed.

Benn isn't being moved off center. This is a long-term project of Nieuwendyk's that will pay massive dividends in the future. In the meantime we'll just have to settle for him leading our team in scoring. Damn.

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You'd see Benn's production resume it's previous levels.
By putting him on a line with one lightweight forward with very limited skills and another who would rather wet willy opponents than play the game?

That line combo does have its benefits. We'd be able to re-sign Benn for cheap when he finishes the season with all of 40 points. I guess shutting down Benn's production now would have some long-term benefits.

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12-14-2011, 09:07 PM
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By putting him on a line with one lightweight forward with very limited skills and another who would rather wet willy opponents than play the game?

That line combo does have its benefits. We'd be able to re-sign Benn for cheap when he finishes the season with all of 40 points. I guess shutting down Benn's production now would have some long-term benefits.
It's a damn fast line though.

And the only way I see this working is if Ott can distract one or two guys with his antics. Wandell shouldn't be seen as threat, so really, I don't see the benefit of putting him with those two, unless Wandell finally finds an offensive game.

This is what I want:

Ott - Benn - Vincour
Morrow - Ribeiro - Eriksson
Nystrom - Fiddler - Dvorak
Wandell - Benn (Burish/Dowell later) - Ryder(no idea why, I have a feeling he'll do great with Wandell. Just a hunch, though.)

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I've been thinking about this for a while..

Nystrom-Benn-Eriksson
Morrow-Ribs-Ryder
Ott-Fiddler-Dvorak
Vincour-Wandell-Burish

Yeah, it breaks up the current Fiddler trio, but I think it's worth a shot for at least a period or two just to see if it shakes something loose with Benn & Loui. And Gulutzun could put this forward as a non-earth shattering thing. Just tell the guys that the team is playing ok and winning some games, so we're aren't punishing anyone or trying to send any messages. Just trying something new to see what happens..

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12-15-2011, 02:26 PM
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Ott-Benn-Wandell/Vincour would be a serviceable 3rd or 4th line.

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It's a damn fast line though.

And the only way I see this working is if Ott can distract one or two guys with his antics. Wandell shouldn't be seen as threat, so really, I don't see the benefit of putting him with those two, unless Wandell finally finds an offensive game.
The line would be fast, but it wouldn't produce offense. Wandell is a guy who will struggle to hit double digits in points each year. Putting him alongside Benn would handcuff Benn.

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The line would be fast, but it wouldn't produce offense. Wandell is a guy who will struggle to hit double digits in points each year. Putting him alongside Benn would handcuff Benn.
No, but (stunningly) as Steve said, it would be a great 4th line IMO. Very fast, good forechecking, willing to fight, which to me is the definition of an energy line. Took me a little while to figure out that line would have virtually no offense at all, like you said. :laugh

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