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McDonagh vs Subban

View Poll Results: Who would you rather have in your top four?
P.K. Subban 229 42.25%
Ryan McDonagh 313 57.75%
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03-20-2012, 09:20 PM
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Yes he is.

When McDonagh has a sophomore slump...this thread will change.
Wow if this is McDonagh's sophomore slump, I can't wait to see how he'll plays when he shakes this 'slump' off.

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Its a travesty that Subbans losing this.

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Can't believe a 2 way stud like PK is losing to Mcdonagh. Great player but PK over him any day.

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Its a travesty that Subbans losing this.
What else is new. Any Habs player is going to lose a poll. If the player is Subban, he stands twice the chance to lose a poll. But thanks for your appreciation of Subban's play. As a Habs' fan, I really enjoy watching the way he plays the game.

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03-20-2012, 09:33 PM
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I'm done with you man, this is going nowhere because you clearly can't see past your homer glasses. The fact that your only factual argument is that he has 58 more minutes over the course of a season's worth of play is purely idiotic. The rest is just back and forth, you think he is close offensively, cool man go with it I give up. But 58/1800 is 0.032, it's actually a bit higher because I rounded up to 1800 so more like 3.25%. If you can't understand how totally insignificant that is, well as the wise Cliptar once said, may the force be with you and goodnight.


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03-20-2012, 10:22 PM
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What else is new. Any Habs player is going to lose a poll. If the player is Subban, he stands twice the chance to lose a poll. But thanks for your appreciation of Subban's play. As a Habs' fan, I really enjoy watching the way he plays the game.
Honest question, do you think right now that Subban is better than Dan Girardi?

If you said yes, then smh.
If no, then McDonagh is better than Subban, since McDonagh has now reached Girardi's level

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03-21-2012, 12:50 AM
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Honest question, do you think right now that Subban is better than Dan Girardi?

If you said yes, then smh.
If no, then McDonagh is better than Subban, since McDonagh has now reached Girardi's level
Trick question, don't answer that

Ah, I knew it, busted! lol!

For the record I would have said yes.


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03-21-2012, 05:50 AM
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Can't believe a 2 way stud like PK is losing to Mcdonagh. Great player but PK over him any day.
PK has regressed this year and Mcdonagh although not the offensive potential of Subban has been great defensively. Ryan better year but PK has the talent to be better.
I havev to take RM cuz I don't know if this is just a Sophomre Slump or something greater.

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McDonagh. He logs more minutes, is much better defensively, is equivalent offensively and he doesn't cause riots in the locker-room.
So, McD is logging about 49 secs more than PK, and you call it minute munching, has 6 less Pts, but they're equivalent offensively and then throw out a locker room riot comment for good measure? What riot was this? I recall the Plekanec incident, but not the riot....

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PK has regressed this year and Mcdonagh although not the offensive potential of Subban has been great defensively. Ryan better year but PK has the talent to be better.
I havev to take RM cuz I don't know if this is just a Sophomre Slump or something greater.
I don't know about regressed but he's had bumps along the road for sure this season. For one thing, he's had much more trouble getting his one-timer shots on goal. However, he's really been solid this last part of the season and brought his point total close to last season's total. I think Subban will be better in a few years but it's hard to argue against the best D on the team that's #1 in the East.

Pretty amazing draft by the Habs: 12th, 22nd, 43rd overall picks in 2007 = two #1 Ds and a 1st line big body scorer.

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03-21-2012, 07:55 AM
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PK has regressed this year and Mcdonagh although not the offensive potential of Subban has been great defensively. Ryan better year but PK has the talent to be better.
I havev to take RM cuz I don't know if this is just a Sophomre Slump or something greater.
It was true for the first part of the season. He's been nothing short of stellar the second part. Has found his offensive game and is excellent defensively(contrary to what some people will tell you he is better than Karlsson on defense).

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PK has regressed this year and Mcdonagh although not the offensive potential of Subban has been great defensively. Ryan better year but PK has the talent to be better.
I havev to take RM cuz I don't know if this is just a Sophomre Slump or something greater.
Havent missed a game all year and subban has not regressed this year. He has been fantastic this season, but as someone said he's had a few bumps along the road but what young defenseman doesn't? Especially when they have to carry a very young/bad defense on his back along with gorges.

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Based off of overall NHL accomplishments and current calibre, McDonagh.

Subban is something special, though, as is McDonagh, but Subban has that game-changing ability that McD does not. PK could easily become a 60-70 point defenseman that is above average defensively, while McDonagh will probably be a 35-40 point elite shutdown defensive.
What has either one accomplished so far in their careers?

Tough to say for me, Subban looks like he took a step back to me from last year. That being said, I really haven't seen enough of McDonaugh to make a justified decision.

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What has either one accomplished so far in their careers?
The only thing you could really say for that is that Subban has had way more playoff success than McDonagh.

McDonagh has 0 pts in 5 games and Subban has 12pts in 21 games.

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03-21-2012, 01:22 PM
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Its a travesty that Subbans losing this.
Why? It isn't like one is clearly superior to the other (contrary to what is being portrayed by either side)

McDonagh has been nothing short of a revelation for the Rangers in his two years since signing.

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Those saying Subban sucks defensively have probably never watched him play.
I hate using the +/- stats but Subban and Gorges are the only 2 D-men on the team with a +. Sometimes, this stat is irrelevant but in this case, it shows how good defensively he's been.

I also guess people have forgotten that he played 30 minutes in Game 6 of the 09-10 playoffs (when Hal Gill went down) vs Pittsburgh shutting down Crosby and Malkin with basically zero NHL experience at that time.

So defensively he and McDo are at least equal while offensively Subban is better.

So I pick Subban but it's close.

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I like Subban, but I just can't stand the idea of having a top 4 defensman lead the league in minor penalties 2 years in a row. The guy is a good 2way player, and is more valuable on the ice then in the box.

Don't get to see enough of McDonagh to put in my vote though,

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McDonagh AINEC. A bit behind offensively, but miles ahead defensively.
That's such a gross misconception...

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Its a travesty that Subbans losing this.
There's a very limited group of defensemen that if they were to lose in a poll to McDonagh it would be a travesty. Travesty=much better. There are very few defensemen in this league that are much better than McDonagh. PK Subban is not one of those defensemen. McDonagh is arguably the best defenseman on the 3rd best defense in the league. A ridiculous post. Vote for Subban all you want, but to make it seem like it's not close is a joke.

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The only thing you could really say for that is that Subban has had way more playoff success than McDonagh.

McDonagh has 0 pts in 5 games and Subban has 12pts in 21 games.
This was sarcasm right?

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I remember following both hockey players when they were both prospects.

PK Subban was drafted as a huge project as he had all the tools but he was trying to do way too much while McDonagh was all but the opposite. A safe player that never try to do too much. Both evolved their games after their draft and IMO Subban was more impressive in the 2 years after they were drafted to a point he passed over McDonagh in the prospect depth chart.

The team (Gainey) traded McDonagh as he was believed to become a solid stay at home defenseman without much offense while Subban was viewed (and still is) as a potential game breaking defenseman that can move the puck. McDonagh seem like he worked a lot on his offense and his overall game while Subban is still adapting his style to NHL ice. When on his game there might not be a more impressive defenseman than Subban in the NHL. He can wear you down physically, hit you, make incredible pass, skate all over the ice, block shots, etc. The only problem with Subban has been consistency and intensity (that might sound really strange but he is way too intense sometimes and he should just take a breath or 2 sometimes before going full throttle)

I see Subban becoming a star defenseman in a not so distant future and Mcdonagh becoming one of the top defensive defenseman both have their utility in winning a championship and they would have been quite a pair. Shame on you Gainey !
As for the question I selected Subban since I really, really, really enjoy watching him play.

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That's such a gross misconception...
Not worth your time, trust me. He's the biggest homer I've seen in this thread.


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I like Subban, but I just can't stand the idea of having a top 4 defensman lead the league in minor penalties 2 years in a row. The guy is a good 2way player, and is more valuable on the ice then in the box.

Don't get to see enough of McDonagh to put in my vote though,
He plays on the edge and is pesky. But yeah, he could probably still be effective in that role with a bit less PIM's.

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There's a very limited group of defensemen that if they were to lose in a poll to McDonagh it would be a travesty. Travesty=much better. There are very few defensemen in this league that are much better than McDonagh. PK Subban is not one of those defensemen. McDonagh is arguably the best defenseman on the 3rd best defense in the league. A ridiculous post. Vote for Subban all you want, but to make it seem like it's not close is a joke.
It's not like McDonagh is carrying the load defensively, you're not third in the league due to his prowess alone there's 2 other guys on that back end that play just as much if not more than him in Girardi's case (who's been your best defenseman and a mentor). Just like Subban can't be blamed for the horrible season the Habs have had thus far, in fact he's been our best defenseman and that's without benefiting from Markov.

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I'd say PK. No question about it.

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