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12-07-2011, 03:15 PM
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Or perhaps what you have missed is that there are reasons to have hope for this franchise and not everyone may be interested in your crusade to abandon ship.

Look, it's obvious you've had enough. That's a reasonable place to be for some folks I guess. Clearly, when you have nothing positive to feel, say or share, it's time to move on. I'm sure from our perspective it seems easier being a fan of a successful team.

Unfortunately, I think for some of you, finding happiness there will be nearly as difficult, because it seems to me that wallowing in being negative is half the fun.
Seriously Wooten, what a LAME post.

I'm on a "crusade to abandon ship"?

"It's obvious I've had enough" ?? Really? Is that what I said?

What's OBVIOUS is that you didn't really read my initial post, or the subsequent ones. By the pages of responses, it is also obvious that I have expressed feelings that MANY of us have up here.

This is a borderline personal attack and as a moderator, you need to set a better example.

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Assuming you directed this post to JF whose post you quoted, I think you are missing context. JF has been on this board a long time, he posts regularly and rarely misses the game day irc chat. Why he was in last night's chat as "JHab." His actions say he has not abandoned this team, nor that he is on a crusade to abandon ship.
I think he is bringing up a legitimate question for debate.

I think we can debate his question from either side, but I would not make it about the poster asking that question.
I don't believe that actually was JF, as the hostname was rather different. JF was on last night regardless, though, so the point can stand.

I have to admit I don't see any crusades either, and I do think there's a legit question. I think it's a silly one, personally... but they don't pay me to enforce my opinions on everyone else. For that, I have to wait until I take over the world.

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I don't believe that actually was JF, as the hostname was rather different. JF was on last night regardless, though, so the point can stand.
Actually, that WAS me as JHAB during the first period. (to me it was a play on the name "Ahab" as in.... "going down with these Dicks")
Longtime chatters will recall that I OFTEN sign in under various J+nicknames.

/nick is a Chat Room Tradition!

However, never once did I root for the Habs. I don't even speak French.

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Actually, that WAS me as JHAB during the first period. (to me it was a play on the name "Ahab" as in.... "going down with these Dicks")
Longtime chatters will recall that I OFTEN sign in under various J+nicknames.

/nick is a Chat Room Tradition!

However, never once did I root for the Habs. I don't even speak French.
Ah. I had my doubts due to the mycingular.net hostname (since yours normally just shows up as a flat IP address), and we'd already gotten a bumper crop of Noobs and Rares that night.

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I think we can debate his question from either side, but I would not make it about the poster asking that question.
There was nothing "personal" intended, I'm sorry if anyone has taken it that way. I did direct my comment to JF though, because it seemed to me that the replies were more along the lines of convincing than discussing the topic. I get that people can be frustrated to the point of just deciding to root for another team. I'm a bengals fan, after all.

Maybe I read too much into it, but it seemed like this thread was becoming more of a rally than anything and as someone who's not to the point of rooting for another team, nor ever will be, it grew difficult to read without comment. I should have stayed to the topic rather than try to guess at the intent of some of the posts.

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This is a borderline personal attack and as a moderator, you need to set a better example.
JF, I apologize if it came off as a personal attack. I am genuinely sorry that you're at this point in your fandom and hope you can find something about this team to make you smile again.

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12-08-2011, 05:15 AM
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There was nothing "personal" intended, I'm sorry if anyone has taken it that way. I did direct my comment to JF though, because it seemed to me that the replies were more along the lines of convincing than discussing the topic. I get that people can be frustrated to the point of just deciding to root for another team. I'm a bengals fan, after all.

Maybe I read too much into it, but it seemed like this thread was becoming more of a rally than anything and as someone who's not to the point of rooting for another team, nor ever will be, it grew difficult to read without comment. I should have stayed to the topic rather than try to guess at the intent of some of the posts.



JF, I apologize if it came off as a personal attack. I am genuinely sorry that you're at this point in your fandom and hope you can find something about this team to make you smile again.
Thanks Wooten.
I have stated that I'm giving them until Xmas to show me why I should invest my time watching and rooting for them. The SO win was a nice start.

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12-08-2011, 05:53 AM
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Ah. I had my doubts due to the mycingular.net hostname (since yours normally just shows up as a flat IP address), and we'd already gotten a bumper crop of Noobs and Rares that night.
Gameday Chatters Beware. Big Brother and Sister are checking IPs and running anyone who wears pants during the game. Don't ask how they know that.

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12-08-2011, 10:34 AM
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Gameday Chatters Beware. Big Brother and Sister are checking IPs and running anyone who wears pants during the game. Don't ask how they know that.
If you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to fear. You wouldn't be planning on doing anything wrong, would you? WOULD YOU?

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My definition of a fan is someone who follows through thick and thin. Thus, a fan at no point abandons ship, unless, of course, the team moves, like the Browns did to Baltimore in the NFL. If it says Columbus in the name, then I am there rooting them on.
I'll get to the quote momentarily, but the answer is that you never switch sides. I am Columbus born and raised, but I've lived in Brooklyn since 2001. That doesn't matter, though, it's the Columbus part that matters. I went to Ohio State, that's what matters, so even when they play poorly, it's not like I didn't go to school there.

I could NEVER support any of the NY teams, it's just not where I'm from. (Now, the Brooklyn Nets might get my support. I know it's contradictory, but this is a subjective business we're talking about here).

I never understand these questions you raise. I blasted Rob Oller last year when he wrote an idiotic piece about Browns fans needing to jump ship. I don't follow sports to associate myself with a winner. You're right, it IS about entertainment, but the entertainment comes from more than the execution, it comes from the community and identifying with something and the activities around the event itself, like when so many of you went down to Nashville this year. The bottom line is, most teams are going to lose. What do you think of the fans who support the Kansas City Royals or the NY Islanders, etc. When I think of the NFL when I was growing up (Kosar era), I remember the Pats sucked, the Packers sucked, the Bucs sucked, the Chiefs were tough, etc etc... ain't that way now (oh yeah, the Browns were good...)

So, fans don't leave. Non fans leave.

I admit, I am given an easy out regarding buying tickets, because I don't live in Columbus now. 99% of my pro sports experience is televised. I have been in North Texas for a few months, though, so I went to see the Jackets play in Dallas this year.

Now, the quote- in contrast to everything I just wrote, and I'd never write this if it wasn't a hockey board, I am considering the Ravens. Holmgren doesn't get the Browns and the WCO is an ill fit for this team (at least so far). I'm supposed to hate the Ravens. But the whole Poe thing is awesome, they are, after all, the real Browns, and doggone it they play my kind of football. It will probably never happen, but the Browns are currently not playing a style of football I enjoy (except when Hillis is given a big load). It's not gonna happen, but... no, it won't happen...


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As mad as I am at times with the Jackets, I have no desire to go find a new team myself. Heck, I am 15 minutes or so away from the soon-to-be-called Tampa Bay Times Forum. I could become a Lightning fan overnight and not many would question it, or blame me.

But when you look at life, there will always be millionaires, there will always be the poor, and there will always be the in-betweeners. The same general concept applies to sports. Who I follow is who I follow. I have no desire to give up on the CBJ and follow another team as my primary. I don't care how "poor" the CBJ are compared to a Detroit, or Boston, or whoever else. I'll stay with them until the bitter end, and it'll make the successes that much more enjoyable.

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This thread is still going?

I think someone said it in the first page or two. You don't become a fan of a new team unless you or the team relocates. Even then it's not a certainty.

Fans don't change allegiances, based on performance or ownership. If you do, you weren't a fan to begin with.

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That's BS blah, people change fan allegiances all the time. Happens in every sport for a variety of reasons. The question is "for what reasons?"

The best thing I've read here so far is that most will always have a soft spot for "their" team, even decades later, even if they move, or the team doesn't EARN their loyalty. Thats true of me too Fortunately or Unfortunately, for those of us not living in Cbus, we have additional choices as "our" team isn't ours by geographical default.

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I used to be a fan-follower of the Bengals, Sabres, Cubs, and many years ago -the Wings. Things change.

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That's BS blah, people change fan allegiances all the time.
Semantics, Jf. If "fan" is short for "fanatic," then bb is correct - fanatics rarely change allegiances. You're right, too, of course - people change their team allegiances all the time. Question is, can those folks correctly have been labeled fans (fanatics)?

In your case, you have stuck with a team through thick and thin (or, in our case thin and thinner!), moved away, and are re-evaluating your willingness to absorb further psychic punishment. That's far different, from my perspective, than the eight year old who is a Cowboys fan one year, Pats fan the next, depending on who's on top at the time. I don't think anyone who participates in a group like this, with a team like the Jackets, could possibly be considered a "fair weather" or "bandwagon" fan. Everyone here is a fanatic of one stripe or another! And, obviously, a masochistic sponge for psychic torture!

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Semantics, Jf. If "fan" is short for "fanatic," then bb is correct - fanatics rarely change allegiances. You're right, too, of course - people change their team allegiances all the time. Question is, can those folks correctly have been labeled fans (fanatics)?

In your case, you have stuck with a team through thick and thin (or, in our case thin and thinner!), moved away, and are re-evaluating your willingness to absorb further psychic punishment. That's far different, from my perspective, than the eight year old who is a Cowboys fan one year, Pats fan the next, depending on who's on top at the time. I don't think anyone who participates in a group like this, with a team like the Jackets, could possibly be considered a "fair weather" or "bandwagon" fan. Everyone here is a fanatic of one stripe or another! And, obviously, a masochistic sponge for psychic torture!
Re: "Psychic, masochistic torture".

All the married guys here understand exactly what you're saying.

Last night's "blink and you'll miss us blowing a 2 goal lead and the game" and this team in general is a fan Rorshack test. You see what you want/need to see.

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Well as bad as they are I would never drop them. I have on the other hand added a team. Since I moved to North Carolina last year I have added the Canes. Its great because I never really followed anybody in the East so now I can root against NYR, Bruins, Pens, etc on a regular basis. I still cheer for the CBJ when they play the Canes.

The biggest problem with adding the Canes is that they suck as bad as the Jackets. Maybe they should do a Staal for Nash trade. The good news is that one of my teams will probably get Yakupov.

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That's BS blah, people change fan allegiances all the time. Happens in every sport for a variety of reasons. The question is "for what reasons?"

The best thing I've read here so far is that most will always have a soft spot for "their" team, even decades later, even if they move, or the team doesn't EARN their loyalty. Thats true of me too Fortunately or Unfortunately, for those of us not living in Cbus, we have additional choices as "our" team isn't ours by geographical default.

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I used to be a fan-follower of the Bengals, Sabres, Cubs, and many years ago -the Wings. Things change.
Okay, to bring this full circle to ask the question you originally asked in the OP.

What would it take to get you to change allegiances? Given the decade of suck, I'm pretty certain that whatever your bar is, it was hit sometime in 2007.

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Sam, it's a fair question... but I'm not sure WHY some people think I have the answer.
My OP and Thread Title was an honest request for discussion and advice, and many of the posts here have been very helpful.

To quote my original post...

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If certain changes and efforts are not made, if they cannot play at least .400 hockey during the next ten games, then they will have one more fan joining the mass exodus.

I really want to say ".500" ...but cheese & bread mon, how sad is it that I'm willing to accept .400 !!! That is what being a Jacket fan has come down to. I'm willing to accept MEDIOCRITY.

So there you have it: Guys, you have until Christmas to become MEDIOCRE.
To me, "Changes and efforts" are like porn, I'll know it when I see it. ...and last night's collapse was not the kind of porn we needed.

Certainly "winning" will help. But to win I think we're all agreed that we need to change the room somehow.

....and whether we like it or not, the quickest way to change the room is to fire our cannon at the coach. I'm also in favor of firing it at Brassard, which should shake up the other players pretty good.

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Semantics, Jf. If "fan" is short for "fanatic," then bb is correct - fanatics rarely change allegiances. You're right, too, of course - people change their team allegiances all the time. Question is, can those folks correctly have been labeled fans (fanatics)?

In your case, you have stuck with a team through thick and thin (or, in our case thin and thinner!), moved away, and are re-evaluating your willingness to absorb further psychic punishment. That's far different, from my perspective, than the eight year old who is a Cowboys fan one year, Pats fan the next, depending on who's on top at the time. I don't think anyone who participates in a group like this, with a team like the Jackets, could possibly be considered a "fair weather" or "bandwagon" fan. Everyone here is a fanatic of one stripe or another! And, obviously, a masochistic sponge for psychic torture!
It's an interesting discussion. I'm surprised that there's been little mention of teams that, for whatever reason, aren't putting in sufficient resources to win. One example would be the situation of teams like the Pittsburgh Pirates and Oakland A's. Within the last day or so the Angels have acquired Albert Pujois and a top pitcher from the Rangers. Meanwhile, the Oakland A's are considering selling two or three top young pitchers. The two teams are in the same division. The A's need the money. The Angels have money to spend. The acquisitions by the Angels and the auction of players by the A's will mean that the A's will almost assuredly be unable to compete for a pennant for years. So, should A's fans stay loyal? It's not really the fault of the A's, but nevertheless, when is a fan no longer a fan, but a sucker?

The Jackets management have not demonstrated the same passion for winning as have many other NHL teams. When I was a Jacket fan they had at one time or another, a GM who decided one day he wanted to try coaching the team, a one-eyed defenseman, and as far as I could tell, not a single scout who knew the first thing about hockey. It may have been that MacLean determined that the Jackets could not afford a real head coach and so he would do it himself. I don't know. Maybe these patently obvious flaws could not be remedied simply because they were beyond the Jacket's financial limits. But I think it is perfectly sane for both A's fans and Jacket fans to wonder if their given team is worthy of their dollar and their emotional allegiance. I think the mentality of "follow through thick and thin" is the mentality of a person in danger of exploitation.

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Semantics, Jf. If "fan" is short for "fanatic," then bb is correct - fanatics rarely change allegiances. You're right, too, of course - people change their team allegiances all the time. Question is, can those folks correctly have been labeled fans (fanatics)?
JF commented on my post? Amazing. At any rate, the only times my allegiances have ever changed are from relocation (me or the team). Even though I watch the support the Blues now, my allegiance is still to the Jackets. That won't change unless I move (or the Jackets do) and then it might not. I don't change my allegiances all the time. Since I have lived in Ohio, I have been Reds, Bengals, OSU Basketball, and CBJ fan. I like the Bruins and Bears (because of previous locations I lived), but in head to head Bengals and CBJ are the teams I cheer for.

If JF changes allegiances at the drop of the hat (or in this case 10+ years of losing), he wasn't a fan to begin with. That points to fair weather fan and that is no fan at all.

If JF claims BS, that's his problem. That this thread exists at all might point back to his issues as a fan. I will question his resolve as a fan. Now if he moved (and I think he did), if there is a team closer that he wants to support then more power to him. Change allegiances and be done with it.

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I watched last night's game. I was excited with about 1:40 to go in the game.

The remainder of regulation and the OT still have me pissed today. So yeah, I still care & probably will for a while.

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