Giguere said he will be "there anytime Varly needs to talk" but that he needs coaching too. The Avs have a goalie coach, Kirk McLean, but he is not full time. Not many teams have full-time goalie coaches, which is something Giguere doesn't quite understand.
"I think every team should have a full-time goalie coach. At the end of the day, a goalie can make you make the playoffs or not make the playoffs or win you a series or not," Giguere said. "I still don't understand why we don't have a (full-time) goalie coach. A lot of organizations are like this, and it's a bizarre situation if you ask me. It's important to have a strong working relationship between the goalies and the goalie coach, to make sure that we're all on the same page. The difference when the two goalies play should not be very noticeable, between the forwards and the D ... It's a relationship that's very important to the goalie."
Asked if he's satisfied with McLean's part-time status and goalie coaches in general, Sacco said: "I like the way we handle the workload for our goaltending coach. (McLean) spends probably two, 2½ weeks out of the month with us. He also goes down and sees the Lake Erie goaltenders, and the guys we drafted. I personally don't think we need to have him here all the time. I think sometimes that becomes overbearing."
Well, if Sacco's saying that, I'm now convinced. GET A GOALIE COACH.
It just comes down to this: We can argue whether it was overpayment or not for years to come, but bottom line, all of us agree the Avs made a significant investment in a young individual they're hoping will be the answer they need at goaltender for the next few seasons at least. If you're going to do that, then you need to do everything possible to make sure he is in a position to succeed. Clearly the Avs are not doing that. I get the rationale behind a goaltending consultant, but more needs to be done. If we had a couple vets between the pipes, I'd be fine with a part-time guy. But not with a guy who's still very raw and still trying to find consistency.
your prized off-season acquisition is struggling at times and has said many times in the past that the work he puts in with his goal coach helps him a lot. then you come out and say that as the head coach of the Avs after even the back up who is a vet says you need a full time guy?
WTF?
Exactly. I was very happy when I read him say that. I bet the Avs brass weren't too happy about it though for sure.
Giggy should not be responsible for carrying the second half of the load as another part time goalie coach. His job is as a mentor, and to help with advice from time to time. Not analyze Varly's technical game and work with him to get better. He was to worry about his own game, and make sure he's doing what he has to do to stay focused and technically sound.
Just because Giguere is on the team is no excuse to not give sufficient attention to arguably the most important position in hockey, and one the Avs have been trying to figure out for 10 years.
They give up a boatload for a goaltender and then just throw him to the wolves and let him fend for himself. They should be embarrassed that their supposed starter is struggling yet again while the last three starters this team had (Anderson, Elliott, Theodore) are having strong seasons.
At what point will they start to put two and two together and quit pinching the pennies to bring in someone that can actually help their biggest weakness?
I think MacLean has some business things in Vancouver as well as living there and that might be the reason he's not a full time coach. It's possible Avs asked him and he said no.
I think MacLean has some business things in Vancouver as well as living there and that might be the reason he's not a full time coach. It's possible Avs asked him and he said no.
Might be that they are cheap too.
If that's the reason, and I doubt it, it's not a good excuse. If they asked, and the answer was no, they should have looked for someone else that was qualified who said yes.
Well, if Sacco's saying that, I'm now convinced. GET A GOALIE COACH.
It just comes down to this: We can argue whether it was overpayment or not for years to come, but bottom line, all of us agree the Avs made a significant investment in a young individual they're hoping will be the answer they need at goaltender for the next few seasons at least. If you're going to do that, then you need to do everything possible to make sure he is in a position to succeed. Clearly the Avs are not doing that. I get the rationale behind a goaltending consultant, but more needs to be done. If we had a couple vets between the pipes, I'd be fine with a part-time guy. But not with a guy who's still very raw and still trying to find consistency.
Now that both Giguere and Sacco have stated how the team needs a full-time goalie coach (and really badly at that) we finally understood what so many teams struggling in net didn't: never overlook the role of a goalie coach if you have trouble in the net.
We could get Giguere to coach the team's goalies full-time next season if he retired at the end of the season.
Now that both Giguere and Sacco have stated how the team needs a full-time goalie coach (and really badly at that) we finally understood what so many teams struggling in net didn't: never overlook the role of a goalie coach if you have trouble in the net.
We could get Giguere to coach the team's goalies full-time next season if he retired at the end of the season.
Sacco stated we didn't need a full-time goalie coach...
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Asked if he's satisfied with McLean's part-time status and goalie coaches in general, Sacco said: "I like the way we handle the workload for our goaltending coach. (McLean) spends probably two, 2½ weeks out of the month with us. He also goes down and sees the Lake Erie goaltenders, and the guys we drafted. I personally don't think we need to have him here all the time. I think sometimes that becomes overbearing."
Sacco stated we didn't need a full-time goalie coach...
That quote is making me cringe and hate Sacco even more. If he really wanted to see the Avs succeed, he'd make sure the goalies get everything they need to succeed, even a goalie coach. This team's GM made a couple of bold moves and basically wagered his job with the Avs on Varlamov and Johnson.
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Originally Posted by WarriorOfGandhi
I nominate RECsGuy for goalie coach
I'd rather have RECsGuy to coach the Monsters' goalies at first tbh...
Ducks: Pete Peeters
Bruins: Essensa
Sabres: Jim Corsi
Flames: Clint Malarchuk
Hurricanes: Tom Barrasso
Avalanche: Kirk McLean
Stars: Mike Valley
Blackhawks: Stephane Waite
Blue Jackets: Ian Clark
Red Wings: Jim Bedard/Chris Osgood
Oilers: Frederic Chabot
Panthers: Robb Tallas
Kings: Bill Ranford
Wild: Bob Mason
Canadiens: Pierre Groulx
Predators: Mitch Korn
Devils: Chris Terreri
Islanders: Mike Dunham/Sudarshan Maharaj
Rangers: Benoit Allaire
Senators: Rick Wamsley
Flyers: Jeff Reese
Coyotes: Sean Burke
Penguins: Gilles Meloche
Blues: Corey Hirsch
Sharks: Corey Schwab
Lightning: Frantz Jean
Maple Leafs: Francois Allaire
Canucks: Rollie Melanson
Capitals: Dave Prior/Olaf Kolzig
Jets: Wade Flaherty
Ducks: Pete Peeters
Bruins: Essensa
Sabres: Jim Corsi
Flames: Clint Malarchuk
Hurricanes: Tom Barrasso
Avalanche: Kirk McLean
Stars: Mike Valley
Blackhawks: Stephane Waite
Blue Jackets: Ian Clark
Red Wings: Jim Bedard/Chris Osgood
Oilers: Frederic Chabot
Panthers: Robb Tallas
Kings: Bill Ranford
Wild: Bob Mason
Canadiens: Pierre Groulx
Predators: Mitch Korn
Devils: Chris Terreri
Islanders: Mike Dunham/Sudarshan Maharaj
Rangers: Benoit Allaire
Senators: Rick Wamsley
Flyers: Jeff Reese
Coyotes: Sean Burke
Penguins: Gilles Meloche
Blues: Corey Hirsch
Sharks: Corey Schwab
Lightning: Frantz Jean
Maple Leafs: Francois Allaire
Canucks: Rollie Melanson
Capitals: Dave Prior/Olaf Kolzig
Jets: Wade Flaherty
Ducks: Pete Peeters - consultant
Bruins: Bob Essensa - coach
Sabres: Jim Corsi - coach
Flames: Clint Malarchuk - coach
Hurricanes: Tom Barrasso - asst. coach (bench)
Avalanche: Kirk McLean - consultant
Stars: Mike Valley - coach
Blackhawks: Stephane Waite - coach
Blue Jackets: Ian Clark - coach
Red Wings: Jim Bedard - coach / Chris Osgood - develop. coach
Oilers: Frederic Chabot - consultant
Panthers: Robb Tallas - coach
Kings: Bill Ranford - coach
Wild: Bob Mason - coach
Canadiens: Pierre Groulx - coach
Predators: Mitch Korn - coach
Devils: Chris Terreri - coach
Islanders: Mike Dunham - coach / Sudarshan Maharaj - consultant
Rangers: Benoit Allaire - coach
Senators: Rick Wamsley - coach
Flyers: Jeff Reese - coach
Coyotes: Sean Burke - coach
Penguins: Gilles Meloche - coach
Blues: Corey Hirsch - consultant
Sharks: Corey Schwab - develop. coach
Lightning: Frantz Jean - consultant
Maple Leafs: Francois Allaire - consultant
Canucks: Rollie Melanson - coach
Capitals: Dave Prior - coach & director / Olaf Kolzig - assoc. coach
Jets: Wade Flaherty - coach
Only 6 teams (Avalanche, Oilers, Blues, Lightning, Maple Leafs, Ducks) have just a goaltending consultant. It may be 7 (Sharks) depending on what the duties of a goaltending development coach entail.
Allaire's title may be consultant, but he works a lot with the Leafs and Marlies goalies. I think he could be considered full time. Of course it helps that both teams are in the same city.
On the other hand a friend of Mitch Korn's said the other day that Korn has a pretty similar schedule to McLean.
Allaire's title may be consultant, but he works a lot with the Leafs and Marlies goalies. I think he could be considered full time. Of course it helps that both teams are in the same city.
On the other hand a friend of Mitch Korn's said the other day that Korn has a pretty similar schedule to McLean.
Then I guess the issue is semantics, therefore making it impossible to know which teams employ full-time help for their NHL goalies and which don't.
On the other hand a friend of Mitch Korn's said the other day that Korn has a pretty similar schedule to McLean.
The starting level for an NHLer should be an advantage for Varlamov over Rinne (judging for example by the drafting number) for some reason the results speaks a whole different language though.
Allaire's title may be consultant, but he works a lot with the Leafs and Marlies goalies. I think he could be considered full time. Of course it helps that both teams are in the same city.
On the other hand a friend of Mitch Korn's said the other day that Korn has a pretty similar schedule to McLean.
If you want Varlamov to get the majority of the starts, that's fine, and that could still be achieved if you take the five starts I listed and give them to Giguere, which would have made it a 17-13 split to this point, which not only meets your requirement, but could have Colorado in a playoff spot right now. The Avalanche only grabbed 30% of the points available in the 5 games I pointed to (3 out of 10), and those 3 points can be chalked up to the rest of the team miraculously producing 12 goals in a two game span despite Varlamov giving up a total of 12 goals between the two contests.
Why don't we play Giguere 9 out of every 10 games!!! Then if we make the playoff's, Giguere will win the conn smyth, right RECsGuy!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At first i didnt really think this was a big deal, however after thinking deeper about it, looking into it further, and seeing Varlamovs raw skill be wasted, i really think it is very important we get a goalie coach.
At first i didnt really think this was a big deal, however after thinking deeper about it, looking into it further, and seeing Varlamovs raw skill be wasted, i really think it is very important we get a goalie coach.
Ya, if we think about it, 2 and 1/2 weeks a month between the Avs and LEM is nothing, so i'd probably say maybe 2 weeks with the Avs and a few days with LEM. 2 weeks isn't much, especially when you consider they don't practice everyday.
