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12-02-2011, 09:51 AM
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The Avery Effect Is Back

9-2-0 with Avery in the lineup.
5-3-3 without Avery in the lineup.

It's clear, Avery makes a difference .

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12-02-2011, 09:55 AM
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Small sample size is small. But yeah, he's better than the player he replaced in the lineup.

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12-02-2011, 09:56 AM
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We also have the Woywitka effect

14-2 with him in the lineup...winless when he's not.

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We also have the Woywitka effect

14-2 with him in the lineup...winless when he's not.
Interesting stat, I never would have guessed, but Woywitka has held his own, he moves the puck fast, and avoids defensive lapses

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9-2-0 with Avery in the lineup.
5-3-3 without Avery in the lineup.

It's clear, Avery makes a difference .
Kudos to Sean he energizes this team, and gives maximum effort, he also buried Skinner behind the net last night...

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Small sample size is small. But yeah, he's better than the player he replaced in the lineup.
Yes, I think this is the important part.

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Yes, I think this is the important part.
The important part is he is playing smart and not reckless, incurring penalties.

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He also has 3 goals and a +2 rating while averaging only 7:34 ice time.

And his goals have not been simple push the rebound in from 2 inches away goals; they've been sniper shots. I'll leave it at that since I don't want to set off the arrival of 3,000 Avery haters who'll give him no credit and turn these numbers into a way to say he's no good.

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12-02-2011, 10:24 AM
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Hey the guys contributing on and off the score sheet. The Rangers need more than one guy who will drop the gloves. If he keeps playing a smart, gritty game, and adds points here and there I got no complaints.

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12-02-2011, 10:33 AM
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Avery has been busting his butt each and every shift. He defnitely has an effect. I'm a huge Avery fan, but I'm the first to acknowledge he can be his own worst enemy at times...causing more problems than he solves.

So far this year his good has FAR outweighed his bad. Hopefully it stays that way.

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12-02-2011, 10:39 AM
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9-2-0 with Avery in the lineup.
5-3-3 without Avery in the lineup.

It's clear, Avery makes a difference .
I love winning. I even like how Avery's been playing.

This statistic does not imply that Avery is a cause of our winning. Let's be clear.

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12-02-2011, 11:06 AM
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When Avery got sent down in camp, I was one of the guys who basically said, "You used to own, but now you're just bad press and distractions, best of luck" and am now happily eating crown given how much of an improvement he's been over Those Who Replaced Him.

Welcome back, Sean. Please stay awesome (or at least not a detriment).

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We also have the Woywitka effect

14-2 with him in the lineup...winless when he's not.
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Avery's played well but the only effect here is that the team is playing all around good hockey.

I really hope you guys are not implying we're winning BECAUSE of Avery. We're winning because he, along with the entire team, is playing well.

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12-02-2011, 11:11 AM
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No, but just like in the Renney years, the team just happens to play better when he's in the lineup and playing well. It's Avery's contract year, he knows that if he wants another NHL contract he better have a good year.

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Disagree. The team happens to play better because we have guys like Hagelin and Avery scoring, Gabby, Richards, Stepan, Cally, and almost the entire defense going.

Can we say the team plays better with him in the lineup? Sure, that's the stats. But is it because of him? I say no, I say it's because the teams horrible start was a fluke.

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Avery's played well but the only effect here is that the team is playing all around good hockey.

I really hope you guys are not implying we're winning BECAUSE of Avery. We're winning because he, along with the entire team, is playing well.
Exactly. Avery is not THE reason we've been winning. But he is one of the many reasons we've been winning.

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I think most of us can agree this is the Avery we fell in love with in 07...or at least a much closer representation than what we've seen since Torts took over

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I love winning. I even like how Avery's been playing.

This statistic does not imply that Avery is a cause of our winning. Let's be clear.
That's exactly what it implies. I don't necessarily agree, and apparently either do you, but that's what it implies.

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12-02-2011, 11:46 AM
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This may be a long shot. But is it possible he was sent to down to get his ass going ?
All players have some level of pride and an ego. Now he is back and playing good smart hockey.

The Rangers knew no team going to claim him.

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That's exactly what it implies. I don't necessarily agree, and apparently either do you, but that's what it implies.
Correlation ≠ Causation

I'm a big Avery fan. He's played very well since being called up. Doing exactly what he needs to do. He's been a factor in games, and it his solid 4th line play is definitely helping the team. Is he the reason we're winning, though? No way. He's a reason.

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Correlation ≠ Causation

I'm a big Avery fan. He's played very well since being called up. Doing exactly what he needs to do. He's been a factor in games, and it his solid 4th line play is definitely helping the team. Is he the reason we're winning, though? No way. He's a reason.
This I agree with totally.

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Correlation ≠ Causation

I'm a big Avery fan. He's played very well since being called up. Doing exactly what he needs to do. He's been a factor in games, and it his solid 4th line play is definitely helping the team. Is he the reason we're winning, though? No way. He's a reason.
People think b/c a statistic exists, that it means something.

Not to mention in hockey especially its ridiculous to assign win-loss records to any player. W-L even for goalies is a horrible stat.

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This may be a long shot. But is it possible he was sent to down to get his ass going ?
All players have some level of pride and an ego. Now he is back and playing good smart hockey.

The Rangers knew no team going to claim him.
He had a good camp though, so I can't see that being a reason. I honestly think it's a couple things.

1) Money - It's his contract year. If he doesn't perform well, he's next salary is going to be very low. He already knows that he's not going to get anywhere near what he's making right now.

2) Career - It's his contract year. He knows that the Rangers are the only team who are willing to give him a chance. If the Rangers don't want him after this season is over, then unless some team is willing to give him a chance (which reentry waivers proved that no one wants to), then his NHL career is pretty much finished. Avery needs to gain Tortorella's trust and confidence if he wants a contract with this team after this year.

Honestly, with the way he's playing, I don't give him more than a one or two year contract ever again. He's a player that can't get too comfortable. Maybe sending him down added to the fire, I'm sure it did. Although I'm not so sure it was a calculated plan.


Anyway, I know he's not the reason that the Rangers are winning, but it's funny that the Renney era "Avery Effect" that people always loved quoting in those days, has seemed to have taken hold again.

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Avery has been busting his butt each and every shift. He defnitely has an effect. I'm a huge Avery fan, but I'm the first to acknowledge he can be his own worst enemy at times...causing more problems than he solves.

So far this year his good has FAR outweighed his bad. Hopefully it stays that way.
Well said. And fortunately the refs aren't holding him to a different standard than anyone else...if he's a marked man it's impossible for him to play his game.

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Small sample size is small. But yeah, he's better than the player he replaced in the lineup.
This year, small sample size yes.

Since Avery was traded to the Rangers years ago, the numbers are still impressive.

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