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12-20-2011, 12:37 PM
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With our final three selections the Pirates select scoring winger Errol Thompson, versatile forward Ryan Callahan, and former coach of the Pittsburgh Pirates Odie Cleghorn.

LW Errol Thompson

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A speedy left-winger with a blazing shot, Errol Thompson played nearly 600 NHL games in the 1970s and '80s. He was a good-natured competitor whose skill allowed him to hit the 20-goal mark six times in his career.
Born in Summerside, P.E.I., Thompson excelled with the Halifax Canadians of the NSJHL. He was taken 22nd overall by the Toronto Maple Leafs at the 1970 Amateur Draft after a solid year of senior hockey with the Charlottetown Royals. Thompson spent the majority of his first two pro seasons with the CHL's Tulsa Oilers.

The speedy winger scored 13 goals for the weak Maple Leafs in 1972-73. He was a part time player the next season but began to realize his potential with 25 goals in 1974-75. The next season, Thompson scored 43 goals while forming an explosive line with Darryl Siitler and Lanny McDonald. The trio became well known throughout North America after Sittler set an NHL record with ten points in one game on February 7, 1976.

After breaking his arm in 1976-77, Thompson missed one third of the season but still managed 21 goals. The next year he saw less ice time under Roger Neilson and was sent to the Detroit Red Wings for grinder Dan Maloney. Thompson hit the 20-goal mark for Detroit in 1978-79 and notched 34 goals the next season. He split the 1980-81 season between the Wings and the Pittsburgh Penguins before retiring.
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You're probably wondering why a coach with an undistinguished record of 62-86-20 is worthy here, but it was the contributions Odie made to coaching rather than his results coaching the Pirates that made me want to honor him with a selection here.

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HC Krylya Sovetov select: Rene Bourque LW

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omg I just posted a selection on another thread from a complete differant section and can't edit rotfl

HC Krylya Sovetov select: Jussi Jokinen C



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Im going to drop Mario Lessard G and add someone else later

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Tommy Albelin might be a better comparison than Muni, who, to me, is in another stratosphere. Albelin was on two cup winners with legendary defense corps. He was just the #6 for them, too. But he was also the #2-4 on a number of bad teams. And he was an NHL-caliber player for twice the time period and almost double the games.
The numbers might make this look right, but it isn't entirely accurate in reality.

The 2003 Cup winner had an all-time great top 4 (Stevens-Rafalski, Niedermayer-White) and was about the only time Stevens and Nieds played on a superstar level at the same time. The bottomm pairing was a mess though. Daneyko and Smehlik could no longer skate at an NHL level, and Tverdovsky was a train wreck in his own zone. 38 year old Tommy Albelin came in and stablized the bottom pairing, getting more and more ice time as the playoff went along. He was, without a doubt, the #5 on that team, and a very good one.

As for the 1995 Cup winner, they had Stevens as a superstar and a very balanced defense behind him. Albelin might have been the #6 due to lack of special teams time, but he was definitely better than your average #6, even for a Cup winner.

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Amazing stat about Albelin:

445 career games played for playoff teams, 16.42 minutes per game.
510 games played for non-playoff teams, 20.73 minutes per game.
One small caveat - those playoff teams Albelin played for were the Dead Puck era Devils, and defense was their stength. So that 16.42 minutes was definitely playing for a much better than average defense, even for a playoff team.

Albelin was the ideal bottom pairing defenseman in a 30 team league. He even spent some time as Scott Stevens' partner at one point. Not sure what that makes him here, but he was definitely solid.

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Albelin lasted a long time which is awesome. He proved to be a very good depth defenseman, but probably a very below average #2-4 when given that chance.
Eh, he spent stretchs as basically the #4 on NJ and was pretty average at it, I think.

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Kocur, I could show you a few guys who could fight just as well but were better hockey players. If you have to take a goon, there were better options. BUT, you could have done a hell of a lot worse too!
I'm sure you could find guys who could fight almost as well who were better hockey players. But Kocur might just be the best fighter of all time, and his competition for that award has been taken already, right? On the other hand, how important is it to have a guy who is slightly better at fighting....

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Cheveldae is better than Chechmanek. He's solid but not spectacular. He does his job as a goalie and stops pucks. His worse trait imo was that he occasionally had down periods which really took a toll on his overall stats.
I don't see how anyone could possibly believe that.

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The Garth Butcher of the AA draft, perhaps? Actually, there is no way Butcher is two full drafts better than Marchment.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. You're not drafting Marchment to provide leadership and aggitation for your team.

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we should also open a roster thread so I can create another roster post and so things are clear when comparing teams
Okay Reen, can you actually make sure your entire thought is complete before you post? It's getting to be annoying having to clean up this thread because you post four things in a row when in reality they could all be in the same post.

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Also, BBS, are you selecting Umberger or Callahan lol?

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vecens24 , can you tell me how long I'll be in this situation ( cant edit , no imbox ) ?

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vecens24 , can you tell me how long I'll be in this situation ( cant edit , no imbox ) ?
Probably a month. Also you should have an allocation of 10 PMs if they haven't changed anything recently. This means you will have to clear out your inbox. I believe that is what had to happen when monster_bertuzzi had something like this happen in the middle of the ATD last year.

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About Jay McClement , you can read this http://nhlhotstove.com/top-10-penalt...in-the-league/

He's a PK minute eater and his team finished very high in PK with him as their top PK forward.
I can see that – right now he is at 41% usage and 9% better than the league average. That is pretty decent. I think you can confidently say that he is among the very best PK forwards available right now (though there are still guys with better numbers, and guys who posted similar averages for much longer times). I guess my problem is that I see him as a bit of a “Scott Pellerin” pick at this point – is there much to like beyond the penalty killing?

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About Paul Gaustad , I don't really kno hat to answer.In my opinion he has done enough to be deserving of a bottom 6 role here.He is a 6-5 212 lbs monster , he is known for being a great lockerroom guy , Lindy Ruff thinks the world of him , he's a very good defensive and gritty/physical player , he's willing to drop the glove with some real tough fighters , he scored 10 goals in the last 4 years meaning he can chip one here and there and he's been playing for 7 years.
Yeah, I know, but what sets him apart? Couldn’t similar things be said for a number of 400+ game 3 rd /4 th liners who are still available?

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About Dennis Wideman , It could be interesting to see his in-team ranking ( n1 , n2 , n3 ... ) Maybe his defense is underrated after all without saying he's a defensive champ.I'm actually wonderng if he's better than Joe Corvo.
Definitely better than Corvo. Even though Corvo has scored more, his coaches didn’t give him very good minutes until the last three years, and those were all non-playoff teams. He’s not known as a defensive guy, but he can’t be that bad, either, to get 1 st pairing minutes.

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About my team , I didn't even looked the other teams size but I think I can comfortably say that my team will be the biggest and tallest in the league.

My line up will probably change , but as he is in the first page this is the H.R. sizes:

(6-0 185) (6-0 180) (6-0 204) (6-1 210) (6-0 177) (6-2 209) (6-2 200) (6-1 205) (6-2 225) (6-1 199) (6-5 212) (6-0 186)( Ryder) (6-1 212) (6-3 197) (6-3 210) (6-1 210) (6-2 208) (6-1 206)
Just one note on this – you drafted an entirely modern roster, and players are bigger nowadays, so it’s only natural that you’d see this effect in your roste. Looking at the sizes of these players, they honestly don’t look much bigger than average overall. Your forwards average 6’1”, 200 and your D-men average 6’2”, 207, which might actually be below average by today’s standards; someone please correct me if that is wrong.

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Thanks for the feedback seventies, I'm thinking of moving Haworth to my 1st line and moving Gratton down to my 4th line. What are your feelings on this? Anyone else who has any thoughts on this are welcome to share those as well.
I think Gratton, after era considerations, still has the better peak, or at least equal, and his “offensive longevity” would trump Haworth. I think he’s a more reliable bet to put up points on your 1 st line. (top % scores: 68, 63, 52, 43, 43. Haworth – 60, 47, 46, 41, 39)

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Cheveldae is better than Chechmanek. He's solid but not spectacular. He does his job as a goalie and stops pucks. His worse trait imo was that he occasionally had down periods which really took a toll on his overall stats.
Hey, there’s a reason Cechmanek has been taken in two MLDs and a AA before, and this is the first time Cheveldae has ever been mentioned here.

Even if we ignore Cechmanek’s international play, and immense Czech league accolades, which do matter, he should have the superior legacy. Whether you look at stats or recognition earned, he trumps Cheveldae.

Vezina voting: Cheveldae was once 5 th . Cechmanek was 2 nd , 5 th , and 7 th . Hart voting: Cheveldae: NIL. Cechmanek was 4 th in 2001. Personal numbers: Cheveldae averaged 6 points below the league average, Cechmanek 11 points over. Comparison to teammates: From 1990-1994, Cheveldae’s .883 sv% was 4% better than the other Detroit goalies, who combined for a .878 in that timeframe. Cechmanek was 18% better than other Philly goalies from 2000-2004, posting a .923 to their .906. [b]Playoffs: Cechmanek’s reputation was that he would falter when the chips were down. His overall numbers in the playoffs support this (.909 ), and I saw it happen myself a few times. However, in Cheveldae’s only three appearances, he went down to a team that Detroit was favoured to beat. Cechmanek was 9-14, Cheveldae was 9-15. Cheveldae was right on the league average sv% in this time, Cechmanek was 8 points under. It’s debatable who was better, but if Cheveldae was looking for an edge somewhere to overcome Cechmanek’s huge advantages in other areas, he ain’t gonna find it in his playoff record.

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Pilon is my dirty mean guy on the last pairing. He blocks shots and he clears the crease Im not expecting him to do anything else.
But, I mean, couldn’t this be said for a large number of available defensemen? There are so many more out there who lasted longer in the NHL, and played more important minutes for much better teams.

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Kocur is probably the most feared enforcer to ever have entered a hockey rink. That, plus he actually was a good (in the enforcer on the 3rd-4th line sense) hockey player makes him a good fit for my 4th line.
Yeah, like I said, you could have done a lot worse.

He was a very good fighter. His W/L record at dropyourgloves.com is among the very best I have ever seen. It is a tad better than Simon’s, even. But Simon is a superior player in probably every other way. There is a handful of others I would call more useful overall players without giving a lot up in the fighting department either. If your focus was more geared towards fighting than playing hockey, you did OK.

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We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. You're not drafting Marchment to provide leadership and aggitation for your team.
Leadership, no. Agitation, sure.

- Both basically lasted at the NHL level just as long
- Butcher averaged about a minute more but his teams were worse and easier to get minutes on; this is about a wash.
- Both were defensive "even strength specialists" who led their defense corps in ES ice time on multiple occasions.
- Both averaged 16 adjusted ESPPG per season
- Butcher killed more penalties but to slightly worse team results; his usage does indicate he was likely better though
- both fought over 100 times in the NHL
- the point of agitation is to get a mental edge and take opponents off their game, Marchment was arguably just as effective at that.

To make the leap that Butcher is actually two drafts better, you would really have to milk that ASG appearance and the fact that Brett Hull really liked him.


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Also, BBS, are you selecting Umberger or Callahan lol?
Haha I guess making my decision as I posted wasn't the best idea. I'll make sure I fix that up.

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Hey, there’s a reason Cechmanek has been taken in two MLDs and a AA before, and this is the first time Cheveldae has ever been mentioned here.

Even if we ignore Cechmanek’s international play, and immense Czech league accolades, which do matter, he should have the superior legacy. Whether you look at stats or recognition earned, he trumps Cheveldae.

Vezina voting: Cheveldae was once 5 th . Cechmanek was 2 nd , 5 th , and 7 th . Hart voting: Cheveldae: NIL. Cechmanek was 4 th in 2001. Personal numbers: Cheveldae averaged 6 points below the league average, Cechmanek 11 points over. Comparison to teammates: From 1990-1994, Cheveldae’s .883 sv% was 4% better than the other Detroit goalies, who combined for a .878 in that timeframe. Cechmanek was 18% better than other Philly goalies from 2000-2004, posting a .923 to their .906. [b]Playoffs: Cechmanek’s reputation was that he would falter when the chips were down. His overall numbers in the playoffs support this (.909 ), and I saw it happen myself a few times. However, in Cheveldae’s only three appearances, he went down to a team that Detroit was favoured to beat. Cechmanek was 9-14, Cheveldae was 9-15. Cheveldae was right on the league average sv% in this time, Cechmanek was 8 points under. It’s debatable who was better, but if Cheveldae was looking for an edge somewhere to overcome Cechmanek’s huge advantages in other areas, he ain’t gonna find it in his playoff record.
We can ignore Cechmaneks international resume because he doesnt really have one. Atleast Cheveldae climbed a few levels come playoff time, Detorit didnt lose because of Cheveldae play, Phildelphia lost because of Cechmaneks.

How Cechmanek got hart votes Ill never understand. His accolades in the czech league is the only reason I can see him favourable to Cheveldae.

Edit: btw Cheveldaes backup was quality to the garbage Cechmanek played with. Which would explain your obscure stat that Cheveldae was only 4% better. Cheveldae competed with Essensa, Riendeau, Khabilbulin and Millen. Cechmanek had Boucher and rookies Eshe and Huet. Huet was better than Cechmanek in Kings imo tho never understand why they traded him and Bonk for Garon.


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- the point of agitation is to get a mental edge and take opponents off their game, Marchment was arguably just as effective at that.
When did Marchment ever take an entire team off their game in the playoffs with his antics?

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And you know, the fact that St. Louis' GM basically traded their entire second line for Butcher. Marchment was never that highly thought of.

To assume they are close to as valuable, you really have to milk their ice time numbers.

As for the "two drafts" thing, it's not like all that many similar defensemen were actually drafted between them.

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I can see that – right now he is at 41% usage and 9% better than the league average. That is pretty decent. I think you can confidently say that he is among the very best PK forwards available right now (though there are still guys with better numbers, and guys who posted similar averages for much longer times). I guess my problem is that I see him as a bit of a “Scott Pellerin” pick at this point – is there much to like beyond the penalty killing?

Yeah, I know, but what sets him apart? Couldn’t similar things be said for a number of 400+ game 3 rd /4 th liners who are still available?

Definitely better than Corvo. Even though Corvo has scored more, his coaches didn’t give him very good minutes until the last three years, and those were all non-playoff teams. He’s not known as a defensive guy, but he can’t be that bad, either, to get 1 st pairing minutes.

Just one note on this – you drafted an entirely modern roster, and players are bigger nowadays, so it’s only natural that you’d see this effect in your roste. Looking at the sizes of these players, they honestly don’t look much bigger than average overall. Your forwards average 6’1”, 200 and your D-men average 6’2”, 207, which might actually be below average by today’s standards; someone please correct me if that is wrong.
I think McClement is good enough at EV to play at this level and be a good defensive player + he can add some physicality and leadership to the club.

Maybe there is other player like Gaustad with more games played , I would have to see it to really discuss the matter , and since I thought I would only be a co-gm I got caught offguard and that's why I drafted a lot of modern players , but I still think they are all at least deserving of being in the league or close to it.The more we go deep , the more there's gonna be modern players because there's just more equal player at this level , and it's debatable that average players got better in the NHL.

I will use Corvo as a spare and Wideman will be in the starting line-up.Wideman was always top 3 dman or almost always , the same can't be said about Corvo.

I still think those height and weight are quite big.The fatc is not that my team is filled with scary players , just that this team won't get intimidated because they all have decent size.

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The Engineers draft Jeff Halpern , a multipositional Bottom-6 talent who brings a lot of intangibles like face off ability, shoot out record, checking, hard work and leadership to go with secondary scoring, having scored 351 points in 822 NHL games over 12 NHL seasons, including four 40+ point campaigns. Internationally, he has also had goals in four world championships. His main contribution has been in defensive play. He captained the Washington Capitals for the 2005-06 season and was named captain of the 2008 Team USA world championship team.



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After graduating from Princeton University, Halpern began his NHL career in the 1999–2000 NHL season for the Washington Capitals. He played in 79 games, scoring 18 goals with 11 assists, and was +21. The 2003–04 NHL season was his highest-scoring season to date as he finished with 19 goals and 27 assists in 79 games. On September 23, 2005, the Washington Capitals named Halpern the twelfth team captain in franchise history.[1] In the 2005–06 NHL season, he scored 11 goals, and added a career-high 33 assists. Halpern scored a goal in his Lightning debut, and added an assist. After being acquired by the Lightning, Halpern went on a huge hot streak, scoring 10 goals and 18 points in 19 games. He also led the league during the 2007–08 NHL season in games played as one of only two players to appear in 83 games, or one more than a team's full schedule, as a result of his trade to Tampa Bay. The other was Brian Campbell. Playing in 52 games during the 2008-09 NHL Season, Halpern scored seven goals to go with nine assists.
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Also a very legitimate question:

Are there era requirements to become eligible for the playoffs in this draft as there have been in any other draft I've seen? I do not believe that Reen's team is eligible if that is the case, therefore the 1 vs. 4 and 2 vs. 3 playoff format suggested earlier may become the necessary format.

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The Engineers draft Jeff Halpern , a multipositional Bottom-6 talent who brings a lot of intangibles like face off ability, shoot out record, checking, hard work and leadership to go with secondary scoring, having scored 351 points in 822 NHL games over 12 NHL seasons, including four 40+ point campaigns. Internationally, he has also had goals in four world championships. His main contribution has been in defensive play. He captained the Washington Capitals for the 2005-06 season and was named captain of the 2008 Team USA world championship team.




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I'd say he's basically a much more accomplished version of Gaustad here. Much better selection here and he is an AWESOME 4th line center who can take all of the important draws for a team. Also, two of those 40+ point seasons occurred pre-lockout which is makes him much better offensively than I thought he was. For instance HR's adjusted scoring actually has him at 53 points the year prior to the lockout. He has much better support scoring characteristics than I would have expected.


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Also a very legitimate question:

Are there era requirements to become eligible for the playoffs in this draft as there have been in any other draft I've seen? I do not believe that Reen's team is eligible if that is the case, therefore the 1 vs. 4 and 2 vs. 3 playoff format suggested earlier may become the necessary format.
They were no rules for this draft or else I would make sure I qualified.

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I'd say he's basically a much more accomplished version of Gaustad here. Much better selection here and he is an AWESOME 4th line center who can take all of the important draws for a team.
Jeff Halpern a version of Gaustad? Gaustad is way more physical and tough than Halpern ever was.

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I'd say he's basically a much more accomplished version of Gaustad here. Much better selection here and he is an AWESOME 4th line center who can take all of the important draws for a team. Also, two of those 40+ point seasons occurred pre-lockout which is makes him much better offensively than I thought he was. For instance HR's adjusted scoring actually has him at 53 points the year prior to the lockout. He has much better support scoring characteristics than I would have expected.
I thought he was taken otherwise I would have drafted him.

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Jeff Halpern a version of Gaustad? Gaustad is way more physical and tough than Halpern ever was.
I meant more along the lines of a 4th line center who can take big faceoffs and provide a little offense, however Halpern I think is better in that regard than you think he is:

Even just an article this year as a 35 year old:

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I meant more along the lines of a 4th line center who can take big faceoffs and provide a little offense, however Halpern I think is better in that regard than you think he is:

Even just an article this year as a 35 year old:
I don't really need quote to judge Jeff Halpern , I've seen him play plenty of time during his career , not to mention with the habs ( even though he was old on the habs , I saw him with other club when he was younger )

If physical means capable of hitting here and here ok , but he's not in the same stratosphere as Gaustad in the toughness/physical game.

But I understand what you meant , I agree he's a better pick , but like I said I wasn't even suppose to enter this draft so I just pick who I think makes sense for the line up.

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Are there era requirements to become eligible for the playoffs in this draft as there have been in any other draft I've seen?
NONE have been stated in the rules at the start of the draft and it is NOT fair to add new rules once a game has begun. At this point in the year there is no guarantee that every era has equally worthy picks, though I believe this draft there were some from every era available, the Original Six era being the slimmest, besides question marks with international picks.

Note: There bloody well should be a rule that those who do not vote on Voting Day ought not to qualify their team for the playoffs! That said, any team which has a completed roster, with a captain and two alternate captains registered on a completed roster post, does make the playoffs.

Everybody: Update your roster post today with your final three (3) picks from today. Include a "C" and two "A". And get ready: Friday is Voting Day. You will be sending your votes of team rankings (1st through 6th) to Dave G, and definitely include your own team in the ranking! This will definitely penalize those teams that do not bother to meet their basic responsibilities as GM to vote.

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I don't really need quote to judge Jeff Halpern , I've seen him play plenty of time during his career , not to mention with the habs ( even though he was old on the habs , I saw him with other club when he was younger )

If physical means capable of hitting here and here ok , but he's not in the same stratosphere as Gaustad in the toughness/physical game.

But I understand what you meant , I agree he's a better pick , but like I said I wasn't even suppose to enter this draft so I just pick who I think makes sense for the line up.
Just because he isnt a reckless energy player it doesnt mean he isnt as physical.

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Just because he isnt a reckless energy player it doesnt mean he isnt as physical.
so you think Halpern is as physical as Gaustad?

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The Engineers draft their coaching staff, a tandem of very successful coaches.



Karel Gut, who has continued coaching club teams well into the independent Czech Republic era, is the first coach listed and referred to in talk of the great Czechoslovakian national teams of the 1970's with (ATD pick) Dr. Jan Starsi mentioned second in tourney records for world championships, Canada Cup and the Olympics record sheets. Gut was an all-time great player turned coach whose relationship with guru Starsi seems similar to that of Chernyshev to Tarasov, the player's coach as official head coach and the intellectual genius designing strategy. In any event, Karel Gut has been successful as coach of the Czechoslovakian team and Rensselaer has four starting Czechoslovakian players and two more on the bench so having this coach makes sense from a team chemistry standpoint as well as from an all-time great honouring perspective. A bio will be constructed for him eventually.

The other half of the coaching tandem for the Engineers will be another highly successful coach, who has won at every level in nearly everything he has ever done. His record speaks for itself. This coach knows how to win.



coach Dick Carroll

* led the Toronto team in the National Hockey League to the Stanley Cup championship in 1918
* led the Toronto Canoe Club junior hockey team to the Memorial Cup in 1920
* coached the Pittsburgh Yellow Jackets of the United States Amateur Hockey Association, leading them to two championships in 1924 and 1925.
* coached the Duluth Hornets of the American Hockey Association for two seasons (1926 to 1928) and the Tulsa Oilers for three seasons (1928 to 1931). Over his first five years as a coach in the AHA, Carroll's teams finished in first place four times.
* He was also a football and boxing coach, and was manager of the Guelph Maple Leafs baseball team of the Intercounty Baseball League, winning the league championship in 1928.

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